Was Galen Rupp's close today in Chicago the 2nd fastest in marathon history?

mindweak wrote:

i dont know jack huh? thats why i predicted van's WR, while prob you and everyone else was listening to vant/calc***o talking about merrit and how he would crush the WR

i have been saying for that past 3 months that rupp is a 2:09 guy and people keep saying im an idiot, and how he will run a 2:05-6 at chicago, and how i didnt know anything about track and field.

well what did ruppy poop run? oh yeah thats right a 2:05!!! how amazing you guys were right and i was wrong and i dont know anything!

so he goes out in 66 and comes back 63....you think thats impressive? trying going out in 62 and coming back 61....when 62 is your max you cant go out any faster that 64, watch what happends when ruppy poop tries to go out 63 or faster....BLOW UP and run a 2:11

So, if he had run 2:08:59, is he still a "2:09" guy? He may not have a 2:04 or 2:05 in him, but to think he isn't capable of a 2:07 makes you, well, weak minded.

Bill Rodgers ran 2:09:55 in 1975, stopping twice to tie shoes. Eating junk food. He is Americas greatest.

How about Bekele's victory in Berlin 2016?

I'm surprised no one mentioned that yet.

Overall fast time 2:03:03

first half 61:11, second half 61:52 (finishing tactics with Kipsang).

35 to finish 21:02

40 to finish 6:08 (!!!!)

Does anyone here have track of hist last 10K?

Super human finish off a fast pace.

on second thought Kenny waited till around the last 2 miles to really crank up the speed... so maybe the final 10K wouldn't be as fast...

You, sir, are a genius. Well played. Truth will out.

there's a lot of nonsense being posted here

rupp's fast finish, combined with slow pace to 35k indicates to me a guy who flat-out from gun is currently in

~ 2"06-flat/low

that is very good by traditional western standards

no one is too sure what shape hall was in on that "windy" 2"04+, so i woud probably put rupp as intrinsically quickest with baldini somewhat behind as fastest white, european origin M runners

perhaps lopes & steve jones are close behind baldini, but rupp has right to be considered fastest intrinsic non-african M runner ever

Rojo, I am not the first person to say this, but as soon as I saw how Rupp raced, I also thought Lopes in LA in 1984.

My memory says they ran 5 flat pace for 20, then Lopes ran ~29:20 for the last 10K

calculo wrote:

there's a lot of nonsense being posted here

rupp's fast finish, combined with slow pace to 35k indicates to me a guy who flat-out from gun is currently in

~ 2"06-flat/low

that is very good by traditional western standards

no one is too sure what shape hall was in on that "windy" 2"04+, so i woud probably put rupp as intrinsically quickest with baldini somewhat behind as fastest white, european origin M runners

perhaps lopes & steve jones are close behind baldini, but rupp has right to be considered fastest intrinsic non-african M runner ever

Uh, no. Ryan Hall has run 2:06:17 in addition to his sub 2:05 at Boston. Come back when you sober up.

Thank you. Reading the thread I thought LR had lost its mind.

So Bekele was faster than Rupp in every kilometer or just 41 of 42?

Hall doesn't count since he is now African via adoption.

So...according to Señor mindtweak: "Rupp is off the sauce"...yet runs one of the fastest last 10Ks in marathon history. Pretty F---in' impressive if you ask me.

About 10 seconds faster than Lawrence Cherono (20:47) and Nobert Kigen who went 1-2 in Amsterdam. Their 35k - 40k split (14:23) was faster than Rupp's though. And that is when he dropped Kirui. So if Rupp is "just a 2:09 guy", then these guys just have to run at 2:07 pace to take the kick out of his legs?

Oh, and the Amsterdam guys started going way before 35k. Rupp went after.

the long run wrote:

Scorpion_runner wrote:

The only difference is that those runners ran WR pace for the first half of their race, not 2:13 pace. So of course he was going to have blazing speed in the bag.

There is nothing to think about with this slow a s s race. Hell, look at what they covered in Berlin in the first half of that race running at 20 seconds above record pace at one point.

They basically ran a 1 hour 40 min warm up, and then ran a 10k in Chicago

Don't dismiss so easily the difficulty of picking up the pace off a slow tempo. Many runners find it easier to sustain a hard pace than to change gears like Rupp had to do. It's all about rhythm.

You're correct. Also, despite all the accusations, Rupp has been drug tested constantly while his competition for the most part avoids out of competition testing and protection from officials whenever possible that allows them to skate even if tests are positive.