How much lower ya think the marathon WR would be if the top 10000m guys ran it in their prime?

Uh...you're about two decades behind the times.

Just wow... wrote:

So instead of prepping for the 10000 for the date they ran their 10000 PR, they were actually prepping for the marathon (including getting a prior marathon or two under their belts if that would optimize them). I'm thinking the WR would have to be at least 30 seconds better than as it stands right now. KB ran 4:13/mile for for 10000 when he set the WR. Even a 26:45 guy was going 4:18/mile. 4:40/mile gets you a 2:02:21 Marathon. Sounds very reasonable, maybe even conservative. I know it's highly unlikely that a top athlete these days is going to shoot for optimizing at the marathon at the expense of track in their prime years, but if someone did, maybe it would be worthwhile for them.

WTF are you talking about? Optimizing marathon at the expense of track is exactly what distance runners are doing these days. That´s why we see scores of runners running 2,04 or faster, while sub-27 is rare nowadays.

... you didn’t understand the question so you stated the obvious?

OP’s point is that 26:17 Bekele would have run 2:02:02 if the marathon had been his focus.

Its still rare for top americans but its been common for east Africans

Well, if the U.S. runners are doing that, they're doing a pretty bad job of it.

Ten guys isn't exactly "scores". And most of them ran those times well after their 10000m pbs, so "WTF" are you talking about? Why the disrespectful attitude to the response??? I'm not claiming to be "all knowing", but you certainly aren't either.

Just wow... wrote:

bla bla wrote:

WTF are you talking about? Optimizing marathon at the expense of track is exactly what distance runners are doing these days. That´s why we see scores of runners running 2,04 or faster, while sub-27 is rare nowadays.

Ten guys isn't exactly "scores". And most of them ran those times well after their 10000m pbs, so "WTF" are you talking about? Why the disrespectful attitude to the response??? I'm not claiming to be "all knowing", but you certainly aren't either.

A prime Bekele running about 45 seconds faster than a Bekele way past his prime! Really a wild guess, idiot!

Bekele in his 26:17 prime - trained to equal preparation as a marathon runner- would have had a shot at breaking 2:01.

doot doot wrote:

bla bla wrote:

WTF are you talking about? Optimizing marathon at the expense of track is exactly what distance runners are doing these days. That´s why we see scores of runners running 2,04 or faster, while sub-27 is rare nowadays.

... you didn’t understand the question so you stated the obvious?

OP’s point is that 26:17 Bekele would have run 2:02:02 if the marathon had been his focus.

I agree

bla bla wrote:

Just wow... wrote:

Ten guys isn't exactly "scores". And most of them ran those times well after their 10000m pbs, so "WTF" are you talking about? Why the disrespectful attitude to the response??? I'm not claiming to be "all knowing", but you certainly aren't either.

A prime Bekele running about 45 seconds faster than a Bekele way past his prime! Really a wild guess, idiot!

No sh!t he most likely could go that much faster, maybe more, Sherlock!!! I'm asking HOW MUCH FASTER you think the record could be. Just starting the conversation to get thoughts. I'm saying even the 26:45 guy could likely crush the record. Please stop being such an a-hole!

ye of little faith wrote:

Bekele in his 26:17 prime - trained to equal preparation as a marathon runner- would have had a shot at breaking 2:01.

This is exactly the ability he had then. 2.01

EPO doesn't have the same effect on the marathon so prime Bekele wouldn't be much better.