Hall was faster and mixed it up everywhere he went. His 2:06 in London was great! KK was better as well. If you go back, Rogers, Salazar, and Meyer were all faster for their day.
Rupp needs a 2:03-4 to get into the picture.
Hall was faster and mixed it up everywhere he went. His 2:06 in London was great! KK was better as well. If you go back, Rogers, Salazar, and Meyer were all faster for their day.
Rupp needs a 2:03-4 to get into the picture.
truly American born wrote:
racistornot wrote:For pete's sake, neither Shorter nor Salazar are American born!
Of course. But the true meaning of American born is not African born.
Shorter born in Germany to American parents stationed there, Salazar born in Cuba before the revolution.
Anyone know what the fastest marathon is for someone who grew up near sea level? (this excludes Ryan Hall)
in 2016 wrote:
You can read about it in the leaked 269 page report, or in German in Der Spiegel, or in English here:
https://www.evolutionary.org/nike-hindered-alberto-salazar-doping-investigation/"German magazine Der Spiegel reported that Galen Rupp and Matthew Centrowitz, Nike Oregon Project athletes, provided samples that arose suspicion in the doping investigators ahead of the Rio de Janeiro 2016 Olympics. The Der Spiegel report further disclosed that it was reported by an employee of the United States Anti-Doping Agency that the T/E level of Rupp is elevated compared to athlete’s previous pattern in samples. "
Disgusting!
Touché! I have to agree, especially now that he won Chicago in 2:09:19.
Rupp needs to be better than Dick Beardsley (2:08:53 at the Duel in the Sun) to even be in consideration. Beards was born in MN, so within 1,000 feet of sea level. Boston 1982 was definitely tougher than Chicago 2017. So even if you ignore Salazar, and use dumb qualifiers to remove Hall, Shorter, Meb, KK, you've still got Beardsley. And Rupp's steroid-addled body is no comparison to that, sorry.
Short Memory Kids wrote:
Rupp needs to be better than Dick Beardsley (2:08:53 at the Duel in the Sun) to even be in consideration. Beards was born in MN, so within 1,000 feet of sea level. Boston 1982 was definitely tougher than Chicago 2017. So even if you ignore Salazar, and use dumb qualifiers to remove Hall, Shorter, Meb, KK, you've still got Beardsley. And Rupp's steroid-addled body is no comparison to that, sorry.
Neither Hall, KK, or Beardsley won any Olympic medal. Only Shorter and Meb, and considering Galen’s bronze came after a 10k silver and now a Chicago win against good competition, hard to argue he is not the best. Not to mention he has been consistent with his times. As for your “steroid sided†comment, let me remind you...innocent until proven guilty by something more important than other than the public opinion. Enough said.
Frank Shorter is not German. Both parents are U.S. citizens, born in the U.S. and stationed in Germany.
Check Frank's results, he is still the U.S. all time best marathoner.
Short Memory Kids wrote:
Rupp needs to be better than Dick Beardsley (2:08:53 at the Duel in the Sun) to even be in consideration. Beards was born in MN, so within 1,000 feet of sea level. Boston 1982 was definitely tougher than Chicago 2017. So even if you ignore Salazar, and use dumb qualifiers to remove Hall, Shorter, Meb, KK, you've still got Beardsley. And Rupp's steroid-addled body is no comparison to that, sorry.
Ding ding ding!!
Thst a #cientific doper / manchild can’t run faster in a fixed race on a bull$it course like Chicago says it all.
“Funny†he avoids New York where he’d almost certainly be exposed as Al’s 2,09 plus cum@dumpster.
I watch the marathon on the LineStream.
First, the video coverage was okay. But the announcers seem to be the Rupp/Hasay Cheerleading Squad. All they seem to do is say how great Rupp and Jordan are/were and how everyone else is second. Although there was a piece on Chris Derrick, it was pretty much all about Rupp and Hasay. I feel more could have been given to other athletes, especially on the women's side.
Now, in regards to Rupp, my opinion:
1) That was incredible acceleration by Rupp when it came time for it. Running 4;30's that late in the race is "Wow!" But when you think about the fact that during the 1980 M's Marathon Trial when Tony Sandoval ran back-to-back 4:30's (2 mile time of 9:10) to break Benji Durden and easily pull away, well, Rupp's is equal to that.
Could I, in my prime, ever run something like what Rupp did? Heck, NO! But I am saying from my perspective and thinking about marathon history, it is really, at best, a good job. Still, it is not all that great when you look at the history of the men's marathon and various races since the late 1970's/early 1980's.
I feel that if Rupp wanted to send "a warning shot across leading male marathoners' ship bows," then Rupp should have been like his coach back in the early 1980's and left everyone in his dust as early as 18 miles, and ended running a low 2hr 08minute/high 2hr 07minute. This would have left Rupp way alone and totally dominate of others. And that would have left all the other male marathoners in the world wondering what they needed to do to get ready for Rupp at 2020 Olympic Marathon. (Rupp and Salazar could have gone into "hibernation" for the next 2 years to prepare for 2020 Olympics.)
*** Hmmm, I am left wondering what Rupp's coach, Alberto Salazar, did at NYC in his first 2 victories. I think he did some serious mile splits at earlier mile marks.
2) Rupp's time is kind of disappointing.
Yes, the race was VERY tactical with zero rabbits. And due to these 2 things, we saw the pacing in the beginning was slow. And I say slow without quotes because if you think about it, a pace of 2hr 12 minutes in today's marathons (world class marathons, no less) is a slow pace. Maybe 30-40 years ago, it would be consider a tough pace, but 5:00/mile pace for today's male runners is slow.
2hr 09minutes and 19seconds on what is really a fast course and in nice runners' weather is slow. And know that Rupp only beat his PR by 30 seconds.
Perhaps this was Salazar's plan for this race. Have Rupp run a tactical race until 20 mile point and then make it a 10km race. This would throw everything in Rupp's favor and would give Rupp confidence he can run with the best in the world.
BUT, the time is just not impressive.
If you recall, Bill Rogers ran 2hr 09minutes 27seconds on Boston in 1979 with a heck of a lot more loaded field in good runners' weather, and then there is Salazar's 2hr 08 13seconds at NYC which is a tougher course (although it was short course). Now those are impressive.
I am also thinking about KK's time and Dathan Ritzenhien's times, and they are more impressive. As we know, KK got the world record with his 2hr 05minute 38second and Dathan got his PR of 2hr 07minutes 47seconds, and these are amazing. Rupp's 2hr 09minute 19second would not be close to either one of these runners.
*** I have to wonder what Ritzenhien was thinking when he saw Rupp winning at Chicago. He must have felt some frustration that Salazar did not give him enough attention and help make him a better runner (a marathon runner at that). That Salazar only cares about Rupp, and he (Ritz) was at NOP to support Rupp. If Salazar was a great coach, he would have had 2 awesome marathoners in Rupp and Ritz, but that "unique relationship" of Salazar and Rupp left Ritz on the outside.
3) Yes, Rupp did win the silver at 10,000-meters and then bronze at the marathon. But if you consider the bronze medal alone and the fact that only 3 athletes per country are allowed into the men's marathon, it really is not impressive.
If you go by medals, then Shorter by far is the greatest ever. Shorter's 2 gold medals (yes, 2 gold due to Cierpinski doped) are clearly way better than a single bronze (so far).
Is Rupp the greatest American male marathoner of all time? To me, he will need way better times (needing at least 2hr 05 minutes) and needs more gold hardware from the Olympics to be considered.
There are far more impressive runners (Shorter, Rogers, Salazar, Khannouchi, even Beardsley) base upon times, victories and Olympic medals.