Jeff Eggleston has run 2:10, Derrick, Chelanga, Puskedra, Estrada Should be 2:08 or better

Looking at the 2017 results, Japan only has 6 guys under 2:10.

0 guys under 2:08. (but that's only because they dont dope like the E. Africans)

If Derrick or Estrada were to run under 2:08 then they would be #1 in Japan. Can you really see that happening?

Because their watches hold them back. The guys back in the day were competing and focused on pushing themselves all out. They weren't out there aiming to hit splits and time goals. Look at the pain in the face of a guy like Yuki. You even see it in Jeff's face. That's how it should be.

stupid watches wrote:

Because their watches hold them back. The guys back in the day were competing and focused on pushing themselves all out. They weren't out there aiming to hit splits and time goals. Look at the pain in the face of a guy like Yuki. You even see it in Jeff's face. That's how it should be.

Eggleston wears a GPS watch and aims to hit his splits meticulously. He's quoted as saying that his success at the marathon is in large part due to the fact that he doesn't get sucked into a fast early pace, runs his own race and hits his splits.

Well then he's willing to hurt more rather than being mentally defeated because of "falling off pace". Still believe these guys need to ditch the watch and learn to hurt and compete.

stupid watches wrote:

https://media.aws.iaaf.org/media/LargeL/962316e4-3604-434e-b492-728cf7d0092c.jpg?v=-1903200489

He's wearing a watch in that photo...

I don't think it matters how hard you grunt your face...

https://media.aws.iaaf.org/media/LargeL/e7b0ca84-36a6-42d2-80c8-c13ab096eb76.png?v=-82595051

wejo wrote:

I don't think it matters how hard you grunt your face...

https://media.aws.iaaf.org/media/LargeL/e7b0ca84-36a6-42d2-80c8-c13ab096eb76.png?v=-82595051

lol

stupid watches wrote:

The guys back in the day were competing and focused on pushing themselves all out.

And we had to walk 5 miles to school, in the snow, uphill. BOTH ways.

Maybe he would have run 2:02 grunting.

The OP has a very good point, namely, that all these talented 5k/10k/half marathon guys should be running much better than 2:10.

What ryhmes with stunt wrote:

He's wearing a watch in that photo...

And probably only loosely using it.

stupid watches wrote:

What ryhmes with stunt wrote:

He's wearing a watch in that photo...

And probably only loosely using it.

Why don't you go out there and show them how to run 2:08 with your mental toughness?

It takes more energy to frown than to smile, so that alone explains why the Japanese runner will never beat Kipchoge based on the pics in this thread.

That's just science.

Maybe. But Eggleston is a total training beast. Maybe he was slow in college by comparison to Derrick, chelanga but Eggleston has put the miles in. 100% tough, endurance type guy. Shows that any 30min 10 k guy with the right body type and talent for long stuff can run sub 2:13 with commitment and good training.

logic_and_facts wrote:

Eggleston is a total journeyman.

Yet these 27 minute 10k guys are often happy to run 2:12 in their debuts.

What is wrong with my logic that these guys should be 2:08 or better? The Japanese have a lot of sub 2:10 guys. Not so America.

The marathon is a different kind of race. Basically if you punch a 27 minute guy in the face, he becomes a 29 minute guy. Eggleston will get you in a leg lock.

stupid watches wrote:

https://media.aws.iaaf.org/media/LargeL/962316e4-3604-434e-b492-728cf7d0092c.jpg?v=-1903200489

Only reason Jeffrey ran 2:10 was because he was being chased by Kawauchi. None of the other guys you mentioned have every faced him, so none will every run as fast.

back in my day wrote:

stupid watches wrote:

The guys back in the day were competing and focused on pushing themselves all out.

And we had to walk 5 miles to school, in the snow, uphill. BOTH ways.

Additionally, get off my lawn.

That is a very bad analogy.

+1 wrote:

logic_and_facts wrote:

Eggleston is a total journeyman.

Yet these 27 minute 10k guys are often happy to run 2:12 in their debuts.

What is wrong with my logic that these guys should be 2:08 or better? The Japanese have a lot of sub 2:10 guys. Not so America.

The marathon is a different kind of race. Basically if you punch a 27 minute guy in the face, he becomes a 29 minute guy. Eggleston will get you in a leg lock.