Is Galen Rupp a 2:05 Guy? Wejo, Rojo and You Debate

Galen Rupp can run a 2:04 or faster in a legitimate marathon.

Rupp is 2:06:23 on a perfect day.

what 2:02 guys are you talking about?

and you guys keep acting like rupp ran his 26:44 this summer....

his last two 10ks are 28:16 and 29:05, his 20k maxed out run was at 62:18 pace, and his last two half marathons have been 61:59 for 11th place and a 62:18....these are the RESULTS of RECENT that show he is not anywhere close to 2:05 or 2:06, they all point to 2:08 high to 2:10

do you realize that 62:18 is 29:30 10k pace? his 26:44 didnt help him at all on his 61:59 11th place did it?

why is it his TWO most recent 1/2s and his 20k run have all been exactly identical 29:30 pace? "its cause he is training through" "its hot" "its a slow course" "its this its that"

the reason is simple yet you guys cant accept it, he is running maxed out at 20k and 1/2 at 29:30 pace cause he is a 28 low guy NOW....he doesnt have much room to work with.

Maybe just maybe 29:30 is his quadruple-quarter-'thon GOAL PACE!!!!!

All I want to comment on here is that I don't like how LetsRun articles keep mentioning Kipchoge's 2 hour run or Ryan Hall's Boston PR. These were obviously aided races that don't count, but you keep bringing them up. If Ryan Hall is a 2:04 guy, then Rupp is surely a 2:05 guy. Just give him an Italian track with cars for pacers or a 20 mph tailwind downhill non-loop course.

Have you ever ran a race or even gone for a run?

Remember that one time when Rupp ran a 13:19 5K and then two weeks later ran a 26:44 10K?

yeah lots of times....

when you line up to RACE, you try to win, when you line up to run a 62 1/2 and get 11th and the excuses people say for you is

"tempo run"

"training through"

"recovering from an*l sex"

its so annoying you people make excuses for him, the dude ran a 1/2 in 62 and got 11th, this is the dude with 26:44 10k PR you guys keep swallowing jizz on, 3:50 indoor mile, BRONZE at the olympics...and he runs a 62 11th place, and talk all the sh*t you want about how i dont know anything about running, 62 1/2 translates to a 2:08 high to 2:10-11 depending on the calculator.

you guys swallow vents jizz as well, wonder what his annoying calculator would say if you punch in RUPPS CURRENT times of 28 low 10k and 62 1/2

my guess....2:09:45

let me guess, you ran in college and had no f*cking idea ever what your coach was talking about, and now prance around on LR as if you are some guru.

i ran and trained with more badasses than you ever did, 100m to 10k guys, who two of them run professionally in the marathon distance, maybe you heard of them you piece of sh*t dumba$$, aaron braun and mario macias....yeah sorry they arent up to your standards

Wait, weren't you the one who was previously busting on Rupp for not running more bigger road races? But then he runs some races (which he most likely was training through) and you bust on him for the results?

Do you really not understand how periodization and peaking for a specific goal race works? These are especially critical for a race like the marathon (as opposed to track where you can do more high quality efforts a year). You keep shrugging off "training through it" as an excuse, but Rupp has proven many times that he can peak at the right time for key races, using races along the way as training efforts.

Please explain why he ran a slower marathon last year when he was in 27:08 and 61:20 shape than he did this year when he's in 28:18 ans 61:59 shape.

Rupp is a great runner. Asking 2:05 at age 31 is a lot. I hope he can do it.

Rupp is western and was fed well growing up, his skeleton is too big to run that fast a marathon without a big tailwind like Ryan Hall got. Just like Hall, when he stops he will get big to match his skeleton, either muscles like Hall or Fat like Bob Kennedy.

NOP science proved it's possible to turn a big skeleton into the fastest 10,000 runner, but that's a whole different ball of wax from a glycogen-depletion event like marathon, where power-to-weight ratio sets an upper bound for efficiency. 2:05 is for runners from hungry countries only.

Nobody is going to run faster than 2:08 in the heat without rabbits. It's going to go out slow and Rupp will not push the pace until late in the race, if at all.

Dude says on the home page he knows he needs a 2:06 or 2:07, and I'd expect NOTHING slower if his hope is to be in the same ZIP code during a 2:02 or 2:03 race.

The span of time he's going to spend "learning" the marathon is going to surpass the career length of some of the marathon's best. And like Bad said, he's not built for much faster than an 06 anyway. And that 26 10K is getting further away in that rear view mirror, and he's a 2:09.58 guy.

Disallow Hall's Boston time, and Rupp is over 2:10. That's over 7 minutes behind Dennis.

If Rupp's in it, a minute or so back of Biwott or whoever, there's a glimmer of hope. If he wins, and it's an 09 or something, well, there's always the Turkey Trot circuit.

I'll bet you $500 he breaks 2:09:45.Given that Trialswatcher owes me $1000, I can easily fund this bet.

I agree. First 2:04:58 doesn't make you a 2:04 guy, but a sub-2:05 guy. No one says they are a 1-minute guy for the 800m or a 3-minute guy for the 1500/mile.For wind-aided Boston 2011 ARRS calculated a "bonus" of 96.45 seconds.Ryan Hall's 2:04:58 then becomes "worth" a 2:06:34.45, which compares to London 2008 2:06:17 (28.46 second "bonus") "worth" 2:06:45.46.Ryan Hall was a 2:06:30 marathon guy.Kipchoge, on the other hand, is a beast, by every measure. I didn't see any Race Time Bias calculation for the Monaco 2-hour attempt (ARRS doesn't compute it for less than 5 elites), but Kipchoge ran 3 minutes faster than his PB, and Tadese ran 4 minutes faster than his, so getting sucked into the vacuum of a mobile billboard is definitely worth a few minutes.

Shoebacca wrote:

All I want to comment on here is that I don't like how LetsRun articles keep mentioning Kipchoge's 2 hour run or Ryan Hall's Boston PR. These were obviously aided races that don't count, but you keep bringing them up. If Ryan Hall is a 2:04 guy, then Rupp is surely a 2:05 guy. Just give him an Italian track with cars for pacers or a 20 mph tailwind downhill non-loop course.

It is simple. You don't run "maxed out" for a 10K and a half when you are training for the marathon.Last year, he ran Rio in 27:08.92, which is worth a 2:06:19.6. He was a low 27 guy just LAST YEAR, and this year he is training for the marathon, and not injured. A 2:06-2:07 looks like a reasonable expectation, if the Chicago pace is fast enough without pacemakers.

mindweak wrote:

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and you guys keep acting like rupp ran his 26:44 this summer....

his last two 10ks are 28:16 and 29:05, his 20k maxed out run was at 62:18 pace, and his last two half marathons have been 61:59 for 11th place and a 62:18....these are the RESULTS of RECENT that show he is not anywhere close to 2:05 or 2:06, they all point to 2:08 high to 2:10

do you realize that 62:18 is 29:30 10k pace? his 26:44 didnt help him at all on his 61:59 11th place did it?

why is it his TWO most recent 1/2s and his 20k run have all been exactly identical 29:30 pace? "its cause he is training through" "its hot" "its a slow course" "its this its that"

the reason is simple yet you guys cant accept it, he is running maxed out at 20k and 1/2 at 29:30 pace cause he is a 28 low guy NOW....he doesnt have much room to work with.

Bekele wrote:

Holy crap you're dense - no one is claiming that Galen is presently a 12:58, 26:44 guy - and how can he be when he has now completely aligned his training to the Marathon. People are simply stating that in his track days he was, which means this is a clear illustration of his capability as an athlete transitioning to the Marathon. It clearly shows/supports that he has the potential to be a 2:05 guy, quite legitimately regardless of him now being 31 and past his track career.

Try to read and interpret as things are written - we learn that in Junior high.

Do you really think ability to run 12:58 and 26:44 just go away when training for marathon? It doesnt have to. The ability still is there. Just a matter of knowing how to come back to that level and take it out for the marathon.

Bekele wrote:

Holy crap you're dense - no one is claiming that Galen is presently a 12:58, 26:44 guy - and how can he be when he has now completely aligned his training to the Marathon. People are simply stating that in his track days he was, which means this is a clear illustration of his capability as an athlete transitioning to the Marathon. It clearly shows/supports that he has the potential to be a 2:05 guy, quite legitimately regardless of him now being 31 and past his track career.

Try to read and interpret as things are written - we learn that in Junior high.

You are not very bright. However, due to this deficit in your cognition, I squander my time attempting to educate you. Galen does NOT have the potential to be a 2:05 marathoner. The possibility exists that he once did, but even that is not clear. Galen is PAST his prime. Again, Galen ran sub 13 ONCE, despite many attempts, and this was 5 years ago. The marathon is a very grueling event, and Galen has little margin for error. An intelligent analysis discloses that Galen is capable of running 2:07, IF everything unfolds ideally for him. Ritzenhein was as good, and ran faster than Galen, at 5000m once he got a taste of Alberto's "magic." Galen is being vastly overrated by the less intelligent here, as fitness is fluid and many of you have little comprehension of this.