BYU scores 17 at Dellinger

Not to mention, that if Casey Clinger didn't go on a mission after this season. (which by all accounts he is planning on going on a mission after the cross country season)

BYU's top 6 runners would all be back next year. In this case, missionary service is clearly a disadvantage to BYU. So if BYU doesn't win it all next year, you could complain about missionary service likely costing BYU a national title.

nofacetimber wrote:

Not to mention, that if Casey Clinger didn't go on a mission after this season. (which by all accounts he is planning on going on a mission after the cross country season)

BYU's top 6 runners would all be back next year. In this case, missionary service is clearly a disadvantage to BYU. So if BYU doesn't win it all next year, you could complain about missionary service likely costing BYU a national title.

Missionary service wouldn't cost BYU a national title in that instance because Clayton Young and Daniel Carney wouldn't still be in college next year were it not for missionary service, so they still couldn't have those 6 guys on the same team.

Are we surprised that the Oregon cross country team isn't as good as they're hyped to be? I can't be the only one who isn't surprised

Most impressive to me about this result is that 4 of the top 8 all ran at American Fork HS.

Stanford and Oregon did not run their top 7, but this result is more impressive than BYUs early in the season victory over Syracuse last year.

nofacetimber wrote:

Not to mention, that if Casey Clinger didn't go on a mission after this season. (which by all accounts he is planning on going on a mission after the cross country season)

BYU's top 6 runners would all be back next year. In this case, missionary service is clearly a disadvantage to BYU. So if BYU doesn't win it all next year, you could complain about missionary service likely costing BYU a national title.

Huh? Every year they have a half dozen guys who are more mature both physically and emotionally because of their extra eligibility. Losing one kid doesn't change suddenly add up to them being hurt by these rules.

BYU isn't cheating, they're following the rules. But the rules should be changed. Either get rid of the exemption and make everybody finish within 5 years of graduating high school and under an age cap, or else get rid of specific exemptions and just open it up to allow anybody under 25, or something.

As it stands now, it clearly is an exemption being used almost exclusively by a single religion. If you open it up, you'll have a handful of other kids each year who come back and run in college at 20, 21, who just couldn't get their life together right out of high school, or went to work straight from high school to make some money to pay for school, etc. I see no reason that going on a religious conversion mission is more worthy of a cause than trying to raise money for college for a few years because you weren't born middle class or above.

Did I see that they had 11 under 24:09??

Looks like it is going to be a down year for the ducks. Loss of the King plus difficult training due to poor air quality from the fires up there (first meet got cancelled). Got it handed to them at their home meet.

Right,

Clearly, missionary service isn't quite the boon people make it out to be. And it's not used by the school for the purpose of gaining a competitive advantage.

It's a personal decision through and through, one that doesn't contribute to ones running career. You can't tell me that every elite runner who makes the decision to serve isn't at all worried about the potential for derailing their maximum potential in the sport. It's a decision, that if based solely on the basis of what is best for the individual as a runner, would never be made.

Most Impressive stat wrote:

Most impressive to me about this result is that 4 of the top 8 all ran at American Fork HS.

Stanford and Oregon did not run their top 7, but this result is more impressive than BYUs early in the season victory over Syracuse last year.

Agreed. Look for BYU to get on the podium. They are hungry.

Rory came from Herriman which is less than 20 miles away from American Fork. So there you have it.

https://twitter.com/BYUTFXC/status/909207846146809857

At least the Oregon did awesome 1-2-3 without their number 2 Cash. Rainsburger wow meet record by 37 seconds that good :) the really good sign for Oregon is who I thought Oregon 6th 7th runners Burdon and Hull were Oregon 2nd and 3rd runners this race :) GO DUCKS

1 BYU 17 1-2-3-4-7(8)(10) 1:58:46 23:46 0:07.1

2 Stanford 73 6-14-16-18-19(25)(28) 1:59:56 24:00 0:16.6

3 Oregon 75 9-11-12-21-22(26)(30) 1:59:57 24:00 0:15.6

4 Washington 85 5-13-15-23-29(31)(32) 2:00:09 24:02 0:29.8

5 Gonzaga 147 17-27-33-34-36(44)(47) 2:01:26 24:18 0:22.1

6 Portland 186 24-39-40-41-42(46)(60) 2:02:06 24:26 0:22.1

7 Cal Poly 198 20-37-43-48-50(51)(52) 2:02:33 24:31 0:37.6

8 Idaho 243 38-45-49-53-58(61)(62) 2:03:41 24:45 0:36.7

9 UC Santa Barbara 257 35-54-55-56-57(59)(63) 2:04:11 24:51 0:34.8

INDIVIDUAL RESULTShttp://www.rtspt.com/events/oregon/dellinger17/mp/

Top 7? Name 7 runners that those teams didn't run. I know fisher, Anderson, and Maton didn't run.

Most Impressive stat wrote:

Most impressive to me about this result is that 4 of the top 8 all ran at American Fork HS.

Stanford and Oregon did not run their top 7, but this result is more impressive than BYUs early in the season victory over Syracuse last year.

nofacetimber wrote:

Right,

And it's not used by the school for the purpose of gaining a competitive advantage.

It's a personal decision through and through,

Agree with basically all of this.

nofacetimber wrote:

one that doesn't contribute to ones running career. You can't tell me that every elite runner who makes the decision to serve isn't at all worried about the potential for derailing their maximum potential in the sport. It's a decision, that if based solely on the basis of what is best for the individual as a runner, would never be made.

Disagree with basically all of this.

Looks like Stanford held out 4 of their probable top 5 or 7: Sam Warton, Jack Keelan, Thomas Ratcliffe and Grant Fisher.

Looks like Oregon held out 1 of their probable top 5: Mathew Matton.

Very impressive run for BYU. Must have been hitting it through the summer.

Yes, BYU has an advantage like no other program.

November 18 is a ways off.

they call me flopro wrote:

At least the Oregon did awesome 1-2-3 without their number 2 Cash. Rainsburger wow meet record by 37 seconds that good :) the really good sign for Oregon is who I thought Oregon 6th 7th runners Burdon and Hull were Oregon 2nd and 3rd runners this race :) GO DUCKS

Looks like the entire women's field set significant 6k personal bests on a rainy day in the mud.

short course? wrote:

Looks like the entire women's field set significant 6k personal bests on a rainy day in the mud.

Highly probable girls course was short.

I would argue that if a runner wanted time to develop, they would take a redshirt year and train with the team. The mission alternative, worst-case scenario would be being assigned to a mission where you use a car to get around. Consequently, they might find themselves in a situation for two years with limited exercise and a lot of driving around from appointment to appointment instead of walking. Doesn't sound very appealing for a runner with high aspirations.

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Most Impressive stat wrote:

Most impressive to me about this result is that 4 of the top 8 all ran at American Fork HS.

Stanford and Oregon did not run their top 7, but this result is more impressive than BYUs early in the season victory over Syracuse last year.

Agreed. Look for BYU to get on the podium. They are hungry.

Do they fast before races? Weird religion.