No marathoners and he coaches for the club that is the BOSTON MARATHON
No marathoners and he coaches for the club that is the BOSTON MARATHON
You scared me. I thought Mike M had passed.
Whaz happening to pro coaches? Drew Wart @ NorCal, now Terry.
Gramps wrote:
Whaz happening to pro coaches? Drew Wart @ NorCal, now Terry.
I mean, the way the real world works is you get a job, and then you either put up results or you don't. If you do, you (generally) get to keep your job. If you don't, you (generally) don't get to keep your job. Both groups have had some one-off performances, but it is hard to call either a resounding success.
Nor Cal ... BAA Elite - what group is next to fold?
NOP and BTC rule the distance sport.
If you're not already established (Emma/Brenda types), you're in big trouble this December when so many contracts expire.
Terrence is gone at the end of this year. Editor's note: Here is the press release.
it's just like a real job! wrote:
I mean, the way the real world works is you get a job, and then you either put up results or you don't. If you do, you (generally) get to keep your job. If you don't, you (generally) don't get to keep your job. Both groups have had some one-off performances, but it is hard to call either a resounding success.
I'll start by saying I know nothing about the situation, but have you ever thought he might just want to live in Cali?
He's a great coach .
Rojo,
you missed the point
Terrence is an excellent coach with the wrong group of athletes.
BAA is known as the club that puts on the Boston Marathon.
The Boston Marathon is known as America's Marathon.
The top athlete is a !500 meter runner from Great Britain.
Who is the best Marathoner in the group?
What has been the top marathon finish by a Mahon coached athlete during his tenure with the BAA?
See what I mean? BAD FIT
rojo wrote:
I'll start by saying I know nothing...
In the future, there is no need to state the obvious.
not a good fit,
While your point is valid when considering ONLY the marathon the BAA has historically been much more than that. Founded as a gentleman's sporting club, it hosted track meets many years prior to beginning the marathon (most of the 1896 US Olympic team were BAA members). Yes, due to economic changing climates over the years the focus has become more limited in scope but currently they host seven races ranging from the mile to the marathon, including a cross-country meet. Perhaps the plan is to again engage a variety of athletes and therefore to develop up to the marathon via the aging and experience process.
You can read a bit of the long history of the association at their web site. I also recommend "Just Call Me Jock" the biography of Jock Semple as a source. Tom Derderian's book "Boston Marathon" has a few words on the beginning of the BAA but that information can be found in the previous two recommendations.
-John
(not a native of CA or MA but if I had to winter in either I'd head west)
I just pictured that state treasure riding his mountain bike through the pearly gates with aluminum cans in tow. Fight on Mahon!
John,
I appreciate your well thought out response and I am always impressed with the history of the Baa. I also believe that Terrence is a good coach.
However you are not being fair with your response. No one ever says that I am going to Boston for Patriots Day weekend to run anything but the Marathon. I agree that the mile and 5k are nice additions but the focus of that weekend is the Marathon.
In addition the BAA Half had zero representation from the BAA Elite. Why? I was told that it was because they were preparing for Cross. Guess what? No representation at Mayors Cup either.
I can't imagine that the BAA board who recruits elite runners for all of their events could be very happy with the limited participation in their own events.
You can only promise that you are one year away from having them run the marathon for so many years.
NOT A GOOD FIT.
rojo wrote:
I'll start by saying I know nothing about the situation,
For most people, that's a cue that they maybe shouldn't say anything at all.
rojo wrote:
it's just like a real job! wrote:I mean, the way the real world works is you get a job, and then you either put up results or you don't. If you do, you (generally) get to keep your job. If you don't, you (generally) don't get to keep your job. Both groups have had some one-off performances, but it is hard to call either a resounding success.
I'll start by saying I know nothing about the situation, but have you ever thought he might just want to live in Cali?
He's a great coach .
What the BAA want and expects is not in alignment with what Mahon does best, coach elite distance runners. They have a great regional aspirations but will never have the budget to recruit and or desire to build a world class team.
He would not move west without an opportunity brewing.
Lets wait for the announcement.
Terrance got a better job offer in Cali. Just wait.
As for these other groups, I agree with above that after the 2 Nike groups, Army team, and a very few independents, there is no hope for an actual World/Olympic team spot in the forseeable future.
So Terrance not participating in all those BAA-sponsored races and prepping to try to make the World Champs team isn't the right thing to do for the BAA.
not a good fit wrote:
Rojo,
you missed the point
Terrence is an excellent coach with the wrong group of athletes.
BAA is known as the club that puts on the Boston Marathon.
The Boston Marathon is known as America's Marathon.
The top athlete is a !500 meter runner from Great Britain.
Who is the best Marathoner in the group?
What has been the top marathon finish by a Mahon coached athlete during his tenure with the BAA?
See what I mean? BAD FIT
i thought the whole point of the High Performance team was to expand beyond a marathon focus. the BAA has two teams that do very well in the marathon. the elite perf team was intended to get into the short stuff. 1500/800/mile/etc.
It would be interesting to know what the BAA and Mahon thought the other expected. Mahon has done his usual good job of helping people improve. But I agree with you, to what end in boosting the BAA? It can't be worth the BAA's investment if the main outcome is the hardcore fans on here more often seeing BAA runners place 5th in national-level track meets.
Maybe the elite team was set up primarily as a no-strings-attached love-of-the-sport demonstration. If not, why wouldn't its main purpose be BAA runners being highly visible at BAA events and other high-profile road races?
You could argue that the people who would do that need to be developed. But you could also argue X number of years is enough time for that development to occur.
rojo wrote:
it's just like a real job! wrote:I mean, the way the real world works is you get a job, and then you either put up results or you don't. If you do, you (generally) get to keep your job. If you don't, you (generally) don't get to keep your job. Both groups have had some one-off performances, but it is hard to call either a resounding success.
I'll start by saying I know nothing about the situation, but have you ever thought he might just want to live in Cali?
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Perhaps joining the family business? He didn't exactly come from a hard-knock life.
shelly-ann conway wrote:
rojo wrote:I'll start by saying I know nothing about the situation,
For most people, that's a cue that they maybe shouldn't say anything at all.
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Please, that is what most people come to the boards to do. I bet you have posted about situations you knew nothing about.
two things:
1) Rosario! He knows how to run a club team without aspirations!
2) Don't hire a Solinksy or Hall. Hire a coach.