A lot of people are talking about the length of their runs and rides. Is anyone here eating this way and actually running fast?
A lot of people are talking about the length of their runs and rides. Is anyone here eating this way and actually running fast?
markeroon wrote:
A lot of people are talking about the length of their runs and rides. Is anyone here eating this way and actually running fast?
Some ultra runners running at medium pace for hours, but no faster than they would on a normal diet.
I think that vascular disease is linked to insufficent exercise, too much calorie intake, stress and insufficient vitamin D. I think the vitamin D deficiency hypothesis is under valued? I suspect It's simply impossible to be truly healthy with insufficient amounts?
notMD. wrote:
Of course the body "naturally craves" high fat and high sugar at all times. It wants caloric density. One can't just listen to their body all the time...that is why some many people are overweight and addicted to fast food.
Hasn't Atkins been around for over 20 years? Nothing new or "revolutionary".
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Atkins first book was 1972 but I think it was published in magazines before that. It was a best-seller in the 70s and my parents were on it when I was kid over 40 years ago.
Ya, your body wants calories and most people shouldn't really listen to their body in an environment where there's essentially an infinite supply of food, much of it calorie dense.
http://www.stephanguyenet.com/thehungrybrain/Last I am going to say on this, then you can talk amongst yourselves.
And BTW, if you can't post your own name (you coward), don't post mine.
Do some research, then talk, until then shhhhh, your talking to yourself.
markeroon wrote:
A lot of people are talking about the length of their runs and rides. Is anyone here eating this way and actually running fast?
Fat metabolism is less efficient than glycogen metabolism. Read Coe & Martin's book for the scientific explanation.
The only time an endurance athlete needs fat for fuel is when you deplete your glycogen, which is over 20miles for most runners.
So you're going to shut up with the bad dietary advice? Good. Keep it to yourself.
Athletics Illustrated wrote:
The saturated fat causing coronary artery disease was based on poor science, this is now known.
The current food guides were all based on a fudged bit of science, now how do you feel?
No, they were based on incomplete science. Like all science. People didn't follow the food guides anyway. Fat consumption went up. The same guides advised against refined carbs and refined carbs consumption went up.
https://static.wixstatic.com/media/a04440_62cedf155ad24af883836b8a4832d696~mv2_d_2004_1386_s_2.png/v1/fill/w_653,h_452,al_c,usm_0.66_1.00_0.01/a04440_62cedf155ad24af883836b8a4832d696~mv2_d_2004_1386_s_2.pngAnd what about whole books that were written on the "insulin theory" pushed by LCHF folks about how a calorie isn't a calorie. It was not an unreasonable hypothesis, but it was based on zero evidence. It has since been disproved.
Keto is a fine alternative for some people. But this religious belief that it's the ultimate answer for everything and that the whole world is part of an evil conspiracy against it is just silly. It's just another elimination diet that does work for some people.
I've done it for several months at a time. It was easier to stick to than some other elimination diets and I lost some weight and felt fine. But I never "saw the light" and was converted to the lifestyle as you say. If you claim that your diet defines your lifestyle, well that's just weird.
Of course you can, I'm talking about eating to satisfy a craving, not eating to solicit a dopamine release. If you are craving a steak, it probably means that your body needs protein/iron, and that's a great place to get it. This is how our ancestors knew what to eat and when to eat it.
I agree with you though, as other posters have stated, we probably don't know what a craving is anymore, and this doesn't work at the optimal level when food is so readily available, so a degree of moderation is required. I never meant that if you are craving a cheeseburger you should go out and destroy three value meals at mcdonald's.
My point is, the human body is a finely tuned machine, its already giving us all of the information that we need to optimize our diet, we just need to learn to listen. We shouldn't think that the next trendy diet/gimmick is going to improve on what has been refined over thousands of years and billions of people.
keto this wrote:
I've done it for several months at a time. It was easier to stick to than some other elimination diets and I lost some weight and felt fine. But I never "saw the light" and was converted to the lifestyle as you say. If you claim that your diet defines your lifestyle, well that's just weird.
I'm planning on trying it for 30 days. Doesn't seem that different than how I normally eat except have to cut out bread, tortillas, and dessert and add more avocado and olive oil. Seems easy enough.
Any of you who have tried it: do you feel less foggy on it? I tend to feel really foggy/lazy after eating bread or sweets. That's my biggest reason for going on (I'm not doing high mileage these days.)
I think this last point is a mistake, no? You burn both fat and carbohydrates during even low/moderate exercise
Just Another LRC Idiot wrote:
Fat metabolism is less efficient than glycogen metabolism. Read Coe & Martin's book for the scientific explanation.
The only time an endurance athlete needs fat for fuel is when you deplete your glycogen, which is over 20miles for most runners.
Well I said I am done with this thread, but with a reasonable question like this one, I am interested in discussing personal experiences with LCHF.
I was a bit foggy at first on the LCHF plan, in fact, I think I was foggy longer than the two to three weeks as is apparently the norm. But I was pretty bad with the carbs as a whole.
I get a little less of the afternoon nod now. Steady if not slightly more energy generally speaking and feel a tad sharper now.
I, like you, had dropped a few things to turn it into an LCHF plan - not some drastic upheaval that a few people here think it is.
Cut out beer (for now) popcorn, potatoes, ice-cream and any desert....
Very happy with the results and food tastes amazing.
Athletics Illustrated wrote:
Cut out beer (for now) popcorn, potatoes, ice-cream and any desert....
Very happy with the results and food tastes amazing.
Thanks, that helps. I figured I should try it for a month or so and see how it goes. Dessert (ice cream and sweets) are my biggest indulgence (thankfully I now prefer tequila or vodka over beer for whatever reason that may be.) Since I wasn't doing any mileage over 25 miles a week, I wasn't eating many carbs to begin with outside of desserts.
markeroon wrote:
I think this last point is a mistake, no? You burn both fat and carbohydrates during even low/moderate exercise
Just Another LRC Idiot wrote:Fat metabolism is less efficient than glycogen metabolism. Read Coe & Martin's book for the scientific explanation.
The only time an endurance athlete needs fat for fuel is when you deplete your glycogen, which is over 20miles for most runners.
You burn fat during low/moderate exercise. But you burn glycogen almost exclusively during intense exercise, because it is more efficient fuel.
That's why body fat is useful for low/moderate exercise with long duration. But it is useless in intense exercise with shorter duration.
Just Another LRC Idiot wrote:
You burn fat during low/moderate exercise. But you burn glycogen almost exclusively during intense exercise, because it is more efficient fuel.
It's not quite that binary. You burn (relatively) more fat at low intensity and more glycogen at high intensity, but you burn both across a whole range of intensity.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DJhKbQEUMAALtos.jpgAnd it varies by the individual:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DJlb77WXgAAEfCf.jpgBeen primarily keto for almost two years. The mental clarity and consistent energy, coupled with lack of injuries and aches pains (despite being older than everyone on this thread except perhaps SOB) is the MAIN reason why I have stuck with it, in addition to the effortlessness of getting consistent 50-60 mile weeks. Of course, losing the sleep apnea, A-Fib, inflamed gums and cavities, back pain etc. are nice pluses as well. Literally it has been like having my bio age peeled back 20+ years.
Today I drove 10 hours straight through three states on only a cup of coffee. Now having my "primal" vodka/amaretto/cream as I chill for a cudly evening with my sweet young honeybun :) She is an MD and also eats primal/keto.
Been primarily keto for almost two years. The mental clarity and consistent energy, coupled with lack of injuries and aches pains (despite being older than everyone on this thread except perhaps SOB) is the MAIN reason why I have stuck with it, in addition to the effortlessness of getting consistent 50-60 mile weeks. Of course, losing the sleep apnea, A-Fib, inflamed gums and cavities, back pain etc. are nice pluses as well. Literally it has been like having my bio age peeled back 20+ years. Today I drove 10 hours straight through three states on only a cup of coffee. Now having my "primal" vodka/amaretto/cream as I chill for a cudly evening with my sweet young honeybun :) She is an MD and also eats primal/keto.
Donovan wrote:
Athletics Illustrated wrote:Cut out beer (for now) popcorn, potatoes, ice-cream and any desert....
Very happy with the results and food tastes amazing.
Thanks, that helps. I figured I should try it for a month or so and see how it goes. Dessert (ice cream and sweets) are my biggest indulgence (thankfully I now prefer tequila or vodka over beer for whatever reason that may be.) Since I wasn't doing any mileage over 25 miles a week, I wasn't eating many carbs to begin with outside of desserts.
Three types of posters on this thread:
-Those that have tried, tested and approve of the LCHF diet and fat-burning aerobic lifestyle, which is based on the straightfoward premise that if you want to burn the saturated fat that your body naturally stores, you should consume similar healthy, calorically dense saturated fats. The currency remains the same on intake and output for a consistent, clean-burning lifestyle.
-Those who are interested in the above.
-Those who quote biased pseudoscience and have NOT tried keto and never will, because dammit they love their bread and ice cream and pasta and chroic injuries, and will be staunch until they crumble arthritic, lethargic and highly adipose into their early grave.
O P wrote:
Three types of posters on this thread:
-Those that have tried, tested and approve of the LCHF diet and fat-burning aerobic lifestyle, which is based on the straightfoward premise that if you want to burn the saturated fat that your body naturally stores, you should consume similar healthy, calorically dense saturated fats. The currency remains the same on intake and output for a consistent, clean-burning lifestyle.
-Those who are interested in the above.
-Those who quote biased pseudoscience and have NOT tried keto and never will, because dammit they love their bread and ice cream and pasta and chroic injuries, and will be staunch until they crumble arthritic, lethargic and highly adipose into their early grave.
If you were on the fence as to whether O P is a religious zealot, you now know. To him (her?) you are either one of the enlightened few or are a heathen.
I've done keto for months at a time. It works just fine. But it sounds like I've been excommunicated because I believe real scientists (the nefarious anti-keto conspiracy) and haven't totally converted to the "lifestyle".
Thanks for making your insanity plain O.P.
Don't worry, you aren't a heathen, just a cute little lost hamster, running on your treadwheel and nibbling on your grain and fretting whether keto something is too "culty" for you to commit to.
I've been a member of the running "cult" for 45 years, and I'm still enjoying every step, every pain-free easy mile. But of course it will eventually "ruin your knees", "use up all your heartbeats", "kill you like Jim Fixx at an early age", just like LCHF will "clog your arteries", "ruin your race performance", "make you obsessive about food", etc. etc. .
My surmise is that people who hate running never did it properly, just like those who hate on alternative eating and training lifestyle.
No one said it's easy, just that it works.