Ketogenic diets extend lifespan, improve memory and health in mice

O P wrote:

You sir, are quite ignorant or a liar.

Says the guy who thinks that we know for sure what cavemen ate. Assuming you are ignorant and not a liar, you really should stop insulting people until you understand how science works as well as the differences between statsistic, science, and a logical argument.

Our paleo ancestors ate grains.

http://theplate.nationalgeographic.com/2015/09/11/ancient-oat-discovery-may-poke-more-holes-in-paleo-diet/

He/you called me a liar, I rebutted clearly with facts, and at least gave him/you the benefit of the doubt that he might be merely ignorant. And feel free to ignore the clinical evidence I posted in the OP. That is the key in maintaining a proper level of benighted self-importance and psuedo-authority.

just passing throo wrote:

O P wrote:

You sir, are quite ignorant or a liar.

Says the guy who thinks that we know for sure what cavemen ate. Assuming you are ignorant and not a liar, you really should stop insulting people until you understand how science works as well as the differences between statsistic, science, and a logical argument.

Electric cars are rubbish.

Let me know when you break the world marathon record on your fad diet.

Watch Ray Mears we ate other things than meat

O P wrote:

Ntsa wrote:

Your link doesn't work, but if you are talking about the PURE study, the authors explicitly state that it doesn't support LCHF.

LCHF is a sensible alternative for some people, but if it's so great, why do the zealots have to lie so much and why do they have to invoke the great carb conspiracy nonsense?

And shut up about the govt guidelines. Fat consumption went UP after the low fat guidelines.

You sir, are quite ignorant or a liar.[/quote]

Wut?

You just showed graphs that show that overall fat consumption went up, just like I said. All that changed was the form of fat. People did not eat low fat.

You also showed that sugar consumption went up in spite of the govt advice that sugar and refined carbs should be reduced.

Obesity is not due to the govt telling us to eat low fat.

By the way, look at the end of your sugar graph:

It's total calories that matter, not the form of calories.

151344 wrote:

Interesting. I've been thinking of giving this a go myself, but imagine that in practice it might be difficult to achieve (or at least require a good bit of planning in advance). Can you give any examples of how your typical day looks diet wise?

For me the main thing is to take care of the issue at the source: the grocery store (I rarely eat out and never at convenience stores). I shop the perimeter of the store, loading up on fresh greens, nuts, avocados, pastured meat, fish, dairy (butterfat, no lactose) and eggs. I only go into the aisles for sauerkraut, nuts, soap and toilet paper. I don't eat any polyunsaturated oils, only olive, coconut or butter for cooking.

I generally eat in feeding windows of eight hours or so (intermittent fasting, which is very easy on keto), so my morning run is done fasted, or maybe off of coffee with cream. Every meal has a large salad, entree can be meat dish, omelette, etc.. Snacks are rare, as I am never in a hunger-craving mode like I always was on high carb, but I will take nuts, cheese, jerky along with kraut or cabbage while hiking or for after gym session. Some sort of alcohol drink most evenings. I also like V8 juice or tea with heavy cream. Dessert would be sour cream with stevia (sour/sweet) with berries and nuts or some dark chocolate.

O P wrote:

I also like V8 juice or tea with heavy cream. Dessert would be sour cream with stevia (sour/sweet) with berries and nuts or some dark chocolate.

V8 juice has either too much sugar or too much sodium, unless you drink low sodium vegetable juice. Even that is not as good as eating real veggies.

Just drink water and eat real veggies and fruits.

It's just something different, and 6g of natural sugar per serving is not too dangerous. I don't eat fruit other than some berries, so it's a little indulgence. I don't juice, prefer to use my teeth and jaws. As for salt, I like salt as if anything I tend to be a bit low blood pressure and salt is essential for cell health. I was low salt for years and had poor health but I also was eating low fat.

O P wrote:

It's just something different, and 6g of natural sugar per serving is not too dangerous.

6g of natural sugar per serving is not too dangerous, but brown rice is? You CANNOT be serious!

Inferior nutrition in brown rice. Also 6g carb via rice is 1/7 cup. I'll take the juice thanks. Nutrient density is king.

Carbs Didn't Make Me Fat wrote:

O P wrote:

It's just something different, and 6g of natural sugar per serving is not too dangerous.

6g of natural sugar per serving is not too dangerous, but brown rice is? You CANNOT be serious!

You are assuming that "all carbs are created equal." Do you have any evidence for that?

O P wrote:

Inferior nutrition in brown rice. Also 6g carb via rice is 1/7 cup. I'll take the juice thanks. Nutrient density is king.

Carbs Didn't Make Me Fat wrote:

6g of natural sugar per serving is not too dangerous, but brown rice is? You CANNOT be serious!

Brown rice grown in the US usually has hazardous levels of arsenic, however you feel about carbs.

Athletics Illustrated wrote:

Thanks.

I never even knew that there was a smaller, denser LDL and a fluffy, not-quite-as-unhealthy LDL until I started doing research.

They are both unhealthy. To say anything else is bullshit broscience.

Ho Hum wrote:

Brown rice grown in the US usually has hazardous levels of arsenic, however you feel about carbs.

I don't eat rice grown in the US, thank you very much.

Ho Hum wrote:

Brown rice grown in the US usually has hazardous levels of arsenic, however you feel about carbs.

Rice does have some arsenic, brown rice tends to have more (because it is most concentrated in the husk), and rice from the US tends to be higher than some other sources. So it's not unreasonable to be concerned.

However, you have to eat a whole lot of rice before it would become concerning. Here's a pretty good summary:

Carbs Didn't Make Me Fat wrote:

You are assuming that "all carbs are created equal." Do you have any evidence for that?

I just said the tradeoff for 6g carb was better for juice than rice. Comprende?

As for serum cholesterol, the "broscience" was the 50's and 60's "research" that correlated it with heart disease. It is a myth that has been thoroughly discredited. Markers of inflammation are far more important, and most modern diseases are related to systemic inflammtion.

O P wrote:

Get used to seeing more data pile up on the benefits of a ketogenic diet.

http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/business/biotech/sd-me-ketogenic-health-20170905-story.html

+13%= 7-10 years increase in human lifespan, with better health and lower obesity.

And what percentage of findings in mice translate to humans?

Considering that almost all physiological research is done on mice, quite a lot. If anything the surprise is that it was so effective because unlike our ancestors, mice are rarely ketogenic in nature. This is what is known as a "prospective" study. It is meant to guide more specific research, eventually in human subjects. With longevity, the difficulties are obvious.

luv2run wrote:

O P wrote:

Get used to seeing more data pile up on the benefits of a ketogenic diet.

http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/business/biotech/sd-me-ketogenic-health-20170905-story.html

+13%= 7-10 years increase in human lifespan, with better health and lower obesity.

And what percentage of findings in mice translate to humans?

John utah wrote:

O P wrote:

You haven't been looking. I have posted an article that challenges that dogma. There are many, many others. I suggest that you read "Big Fat Surprise" by Nina Teichholtz for the whole sordid story around the low-fat/high carb dietary dogma, which is now institutionalized as our society is hospitalized.

And I can point you to hundreds of books and websites and doctors and scientists that say the opposite.

You can but don't. You can also be a complete moran with a biased uninformed opinion, which you do actually do.