oh please wrote:
The fact is no one but ROJO seems to care. The fact is Chicago is basically the worst or tied for worst WMM now. Spotty weather, no pacers, no inspiring races in a while (though 2010 / Wanjiru's last race was great).
1. London
2. New York
3. Berlin
4. Boston
5/6. Chicago and Tokyo.
Up until this year I'd say Tokyo was the clear #6, but they've taken strides and Chicago has went backwards.
Tokyo > Chicago
Rotterdam > Chicago
Berlin > Chicago
Paris > Chicago
Chicago = LA Marathon
WMM striders wrote:
oh please wrote:The fact is no one but ROJO seems to care. The fact is Chicago is basically the worst or tied for worst WMM now. Spotty weather, no pacers, no inspiring races in a while (though 2010 / Wanjiru's last race was great).
1. London
2. New York
3. Berlin
4. Boston
5/6. Chicago and Tokyo.
Up until this year I'd say Tokyo was the clear #6, but they've taken strides and Chicago has went backwards.
Tokyo > Chicago
Rotterdam > Chicago
Berlin > Chicago
Paris > Chicago
Chicago = LA Marathon
Guys run Rotterdam or Paris to impress the Elite Coordinator and earn an invite to Chicago and other majors. No one stays in these races to defend their title, as they know the Majors are where the real fish live.
We have more analysis of the Chicago men's field in the WTW.http://www.letsrun.com/news/2017/08/week-mo-farahs-epic-track-career-aj-wilsons-incredible-2017-continues-plus-usain-bolt-conor-mcgregor/
LRC wrote:
The 2017 Chicago Marathon men’s field is lacking in quality by World Marathon Major standards
To the untrained observer, this year’s Chicago Marathon looks like a great field. You’ve got the top American in the world, the Olympic bronze medallist, Galen Rupp, versus the world record holder Dennis Kimetto vs the defending champion and two time World Champion Abel Kirui, versus the world record holder at the half marathon Zersenay Tadese.
However, last week LRC’s Robert Johnson argued how weak he thought the 2017 men’s elite field in Chicago is: LRC Is the 2017 Bank of America Chicago Marathon being watered down so Galen Rupp can win it?
In that article, he compared this year’s Chicago men’s field to the past three editions of the Bank of America Chicago Marathon and found that this year’s Chicago field pales in comparison to a normal Chicago men’s field. We’ve had more time to do some research and now compare Chicago to the other major marathons held in the last year.
2017 Chicago 2017 Worlds 2017 London 2017 Boston 2017 Tokyo 2017 Dubai 2016
NY 2016 Berlin Avg #
#sub-2:06 2 5 6 7 5 6 2 8 5.6
#sub-2:08 3* 9 7 10 9 12 5 11 9
# sub-2:10 5* 14 14 13 14 12 6 14 12.4
The average number of sub-2:06 guys entered in the other Abbott World Marathon Majors + Dubai in the last year is 5.6. As of August 30, 2017, Chicago has just two men with those credentials.
The average number of sub-2:08 guys entered in the other Abbott World Marathon Majors + Dubai in the last year is 9. If you give Chicago the benefit of the doubt and count Zersenay Tadese‘s 2:06:51 from Nike’s sub-2 attempt, 2017 Chicago has just one-third as many, 3.
The average number of sub-2:10 guys entered in the other Abbott World Marathon Majors + Dubai in the last year is 12.4. If you give Chicago the benefit of the doubt with Tadese from Nike’s sub-2 attempt, 2017 Chicago has 5.
If you ignore New York, Chicago has less than half as many sub-2:06, sub-2:08 and sub-2:10 guys of any of the majors held in the last year.
And we don’t want to hear the excuse that there aren’t enough quality guys to go around. The fact of the matter is that 35 different men ran sub-2:08 in the first four months of 2017.
Galen Rupp himself should be considered a sub 2:08 guy for sure, but Chicago needs to add a couple more guys to its field to increase its depth.
oh please wrote:
The fact is no one but ROJO seems to care. The fact is Chicago is basically the worst or tied for worst WMM now. Spotty weather, no pacers, no inspiring races in a while (though 2010 / Wanjiru's last race was great).
1. London
2. New York
3. Berlin
4. Boston
5/6. Chicago and Tokyo.
Up until this year I'd say Tokyo was the clear #6, but they've taken strides and Chicago has went backwards.
Berlin Marathon > quite a lot of things > New York Marathon
It sure looks that way.http://www.letsrun.com/news/2017/08/2017-bank-america-chicago-marathon-watered-galen-rupp-can-win/Is there a flaw in my logic? I'd love to hear it.Update on August 31, 2017We have more analysis of the Chicago men's field in the WTW.http://www.letsrun.com/news/2017/08/week-mo-farahs-epic-track-career-aj-wilsons-incredible-2017-continues-plus-usain-bolt-conor-mcgregor/
LRC wrote:
The 2017 Chicago Marathon men’s field is lacking in quality by World Marathon Major standards
To the untrained observer, this year’s Chicago Marathon looks like a great field. You’ve got the top American in the world, the Olympic bronze medallist, Galen Rupp, versus the world record holder Dennis Kimetto vs the defending champion and two time World Champion Abel Kirui, versus the world record holder at the half marathon Zersenay Tadese.
However, last week LRC’s Robert Johnson argued how weak he thought the 2017 men’s elite field in Chicago is: LRC Is the 2017 Bank of America Chicago Marathon being watered down so Galen Rupp can win it?
In that article, he compared this year’s Chicago men’s field to the past three editions of the Bank of America Chicago Marathon and found that this year’s Chicago field pales in comparison to a normal Chicago men’s field. We’ve had more time to do some research and now compare Chicago to the other major marathons held in the last year.
2017 Chicago 2017 Worlds 2017 London 2017 Boston 2017 Tokyo 2017 Dubai 2016
NY 2016 Berlin Avg #
#sub-2:06 2 5 6 7 5 6 2 8 5.6
#sub-2:08 3* 9 7 10 9 12 5 11 9
# sub-2:10 5* 14 14 13 14 12 6 14 12.4
The average number of sub-2:06 guys entered in the other Abbott World Marathon Majors + Dubai in the last year is 5.6. As of August 30, 2017, Chicago has just two men with those credentials.
The average number of sub-2:08 guys entered in the other Abbott World Marathon Majors + Dubai in the last year is 9. If you give Chicago the benefit of the doubt and count Zersenay Tadese‘s 2:06:51 from Nike’s sub-2 attempt, 2017 Chicago has just one-third as many, 3.
The average number of sub-2:10 guys entered in the other Abbott World Marathon Majors + Dubai in the last year is 12.4. If you give Chicago the benefit of the doubt with Tadese from Nike’s sub-2 attempt, 2017 Chicago has 5.
If you ignore New York, Chicago has less than half as many sub-2:06, sub-2:08 and sub-2:10 guys of any of the majors held in the last year.
And we don’t want to hear the excuse that there aren’t enough quality guys to go around. The fact of the matter is that 35 different men ran sub-2:08 in the first four months of 2017.
Galen Rupp himself should be considered a sub 2:08 guy for sure, but Chicago needs to add a couple more guys to its field to increase its depth.
rojo wrote:
Njj wrote:I don't think Meb had a lot of competition when he won 2014 Boston and 2009 NYC marathon. So that question is no different for him or any other runners out there.
Try again. We called New York in 2009 a "race for the ages" in our preview.
Here is who was in it:
Gharib- 2;05:27
Lel 2:05:15,
Makaua - 2:06:14
Kwambai - 2:04:27 (59:08 half 7 weeks before race)
Hall - 2:06:17
Ramaala 2:06:55
Robert Kipkoech Cheruyiot - 2:07:14 - 4 Bos titles.
Bouramdane - 2:08:20
dos Santos - 2:08:37 but two time NY champ)
That's 9 guys under 2:09.
As for Boston 2014, try again as well. 2014 Boston had 15 guys in it with PBs under 2:10 (7 under 2:06). Chicago has 3 under 2:10.
Dennis Kimetto 2:03:45 (Chicago 2013) CR Kenya
Lelisa Desisa 2:04:45 (Dubai, 2013) Ethiopia
Gebre Gebremariam 2:04:53 (Boston, 2011) Ethiopia
Markos Geneti 2:04:54 (Dubai, 2012) Ethiopia
Ryan Hall 2:04:58 (Boston, 2011) USA
Wilson Chebet 2:05:27 (Rotterdam, 2011) Kenya
Tilahun Regassa 2:05:27 (Chicago, 2012) Ethiopia
Frankline Chepkwony 2:06:11 (Eindhoven, 2012) Kenya
Micah Kogo 2:06:56 (Chicago, 2013) Kenya
Adil Annani 2:07:43 (London, 2012) Morocco
Paul Lonyangata 2:07:44 (Xiamen, 2013) Kenya
Joel Kimurer 2:07:48 (Gongju, 2013) Kenya
Lusapho April 2:08:32 (Hannover, 2013) CR South Africa
Abdi Abdirahman 2:08:56 (Chicago, 2006) USA
Mebrahtom Keflezighi 2:09:08 (Houston, 2012) USA
Proof:
http://www.letsrun.com/2009/nymen1028.phpand here:
http://www.letsrun.com/news/2014/04/2014-boston-marathon-breaking-fastest-ever-boston-mens-field-1-11/
I get the point being made here and with NYC but just look at this list and you can see a bunch of guys got their PRs years ago. There aren't a ton of guys out there currently in sub-2:05 shape. There will be some fun races to watch in Chicago and in NYC. I'm looking forward to those.
Chicago has Tirunesh Dibaba.
What do you think the odds are of Dibaba running sub 2:15:25 after running 2:17:56 in London this year?
The elite men and women start at the same time in Chicago, correct? If not, then you can ignore the first question.
Agreed. I'd prefer the races without pacers.
The argument could be made that the field is "weak" here in Chicago, but even if you throw the faster guys in there, the lack of pacers would still leave it open to a "slow" result leading to Rupp having a good shot at winning.
Jakob Ingebrigtsen has a 1989 Ferrari 348 GTB and he's just put in paperwork to upgrade it
Is there a rule against attaching a helium balloon to yourself while running a road race?
How rare is it to run a sub 5 minute mile AND bench press 225?
Am I living in the twilight zone? The Boston Marathon weather was terrible!
Mark Coogan says that if you could only do 3 workouts as a 1500m runner you should do these
Strava thinks the London Marathon times improved 12 minutes last year thanks to supershoes
Move over Mark Coogan, Rojo and John Kellogg share their 3 favorite mile workouts
