Mimi may be a fine person but in terms of documenting her she has failed. Her supporters need to accept that and convince her that her run is simply for pleasure. She should stop tracking it. She should stop advertising it. She should make no mention of it. Now, a fine person would accept they didn’t get it right. They learn from their mistakes. Can she accept that?
But ‘a great person with many verified ultra races and achievements known to many in the ultra world both in the UK and the US’ sets her apart from previous attempts.
When data was discussed in the Rob Young business the general consensus was that although data could be faked it would always be distinguishable from real data by someone who could analyse it properly. If people are so convinced there is a techie in the back of the RV faking all the runs, then surely you just need to get someone with the knowledge to analyse the Strava data that is being posted twice daily and point out the inconsistencies.
A real Persson wrote:
But ‘a great person with many verified ultra races and achievements known to many in the ultra world both in the UK and the US’ sets her apart from previous attempts.
When data was discussed in the Rob Young business the general consensus was that although data could be faked it would always be distinguishable from real data by someone who could analyse it properly. If people are so convinced there is a techie in the back of the RV faking all the runs, then surely you just need to get someone with the knowledge to analyse the Strava data that is being posted twice daily and point out the inconsistencies.
There is no need to analyse any of her data. Her entire run to date is spotty and not record consideration worthy. It's really that simple--no more record attempt.
Marks beer gut wrote:
Who is Mark wrote:Here is a photo of Mark Cockbain with the Marvellous one herself.
http://www.cockbainevents.com/communities/1/004/010/873/531//images/4598107007.jpgYuk, he has a beer belly. He's probably knocking her off as he is defending her so much, maybe likes an older woman, lol
"Mark Cockbain
Anyone that suggests anything dodgy going on gets defriended"
LOL. Exactly the same attitude that Facebook group had while LetsRun was exposing their hero Rob Young.
Lol at Gary on URC for calling us out for not coming onto their page to discuss this- I did and he banned me in 5 minutes flat!
10 hrs and counting since finishing her second run yesterday and still no Strava data uploaded
Why?
St Marker wrote:
10 hrs and counting since finishing her second run yesterday and still no Strava data uploaded
Why?
Valid question. But there are some Brits over on that forum that keep making the same excuses, the same stuff done back in the R Young fiasco. They have tried to nullify the significance and importance of the Tracker data, and say the Strava data is sufficient.
It has already been demonstrated that Strava data can be modified before it is uploaded. The objective observer would conclude then that this is all the more reason that Strava data should be IMMEDIATELY uploaded as soon as Mimi stops running for the day. Doing so at least tries to eliminate even the appearance that the file is first being inspected (and/or modified). UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES, SHOULD THE STRAVA FILE BE FIRST INSPECTED, LET ALONE CHANGED, before uploading it. That is a no-brainer for all wanting to see a fair and credible World Record Attempt.
The fact that the Strava data is not being uploaded immediately is a testament to how nonchalantly Mimi's team is treating the data, apparently trying to pass it off as being not that important.
There is now one female Brit over there, evidently part of Mimi's team, trying to place so much more emphasis on witnesses, rather than the raw data. What is her IQ? Any dunce knows full well there has not been impartial witness out there 24/7, thus offering plenty of time to get in some 'minor' course-cutting (no big deal right?,since no witness saw it, eh?).
She then goes on to try and rewrite history claiming Guiness doesn't require the Tracker data. Why then did Mimi say in one of her interviews that Guiness does insist upon it, where she said: "I will carry a GPS tracker with me (it will not be on the vehicle). As well as allowing people to follow me on social media it will enable people to find me so they can come and join me for a run. It is also something that Guinness World Records insist upon." (https://www.run247.com/articles/article-7463-mimi-anderson-on-injury-frustration-and-plans-for-2017.html)
So the unobjective Brit fan boys on the Ultra facebook want to simply ignore these facts, and cast stones at us for trying to be as objective as possible, in light of all the past cheats exposed here, starting with Kip Litton. There seem to be only a small minority over there that want to look at the facts and evidence of the case objectively, rather than childishly.
Richard Weremiuk I'm hopeful after some very sharp words with them last night, they will ensure the trackers all stay charged and powered. I think the network coverage is actually pretty good and the power issues are poor administration from my analysis. The tracker data can be downloaded live as soon as it hits the tracking site, so there is no chance it can be manipulated first
Richard Weremiuk Yes, should have been positive publicity really. The admin has been poor, but I think they'll stay on top of it or I'll tell them to cease use and find another provider
It's a shame Richard didn't also remind them of the importance of getting the Strava trace up ASAP after her runs
11 hrs and still waiting (and this has happened most days)
URC and Gary in particular seem unwilling to discuss this obvious discrepancy
Gary Kiernan
I've just gone back through the last few pages of the letsrun thread to catch up on what's going on and a few things struck me as worthy of note.
Firstly the letsrun guys are clearly reading this thread and posting remarks on there to comment on. Even addressing posters here by name with questions. So guys why not join in here with the discussion? Is it because you don't want to comment under your real names when you're insulting someone?
There's an awful lot of 2+2=11. In the absence of explanation small things are being made out to be evidence of malfeasance.
The reaction to your posts James and Lindley sums it up for me. Ignore the fact that Mimi has a proven track record and is perfectly capable of doing this and focus on finding reasons to doubt.
Gary, I believe you or one of your fellow admins have banned many of the LRC posters in the past so it is kind of dumb to extend a fake invite to LRC.
I am also not just an ordinary troll. I was the one that found the video evidence that showed Amy Hughes cheated and I was the one that wrote the computer program that analyzed the footage. And yet I saw you defending Amy Hughes and her boyfriend Dave Keighley and threatening to ban people who didn't toe your line. You were wrong for the millionth time. When was the last time you were ever right in these cheater investigations?
And if you bothered to read my post history, you will see I tend to do very detailed work investigating cheaters, such as with Dave Reading.
I keep open the possibility that Mimi and her team can provide a realistic expansion for:
-all her odd tracker behavior that has occurred multiple times given that I have proved they have been inside AT&T cell coverage for many days
-Why her team keeps using excuse of bad wifi and cell connections from the very start of the whole transcon
-greatly delayed uploads to Strava,
-missing heart rate data,
whereabouts of her second Volkswagen support car,
-extreme lack of any public video footage of her running on this transcon
-What her connection is to proven scammer Ben Rogers and Amy Hughes
Taken together it paints a very suspicious picture. Strava data by itself is worthless without another form of proof since Strava is so easy to fake.
Rumbles weighing in now on URC calling us all trolls. Where is the personal abuse Alan? Why won't you guys answer legit questions about Mimi's transparency
Thanks for banning me yesterday and then "extending an invite for LR people to come join your discussion"
Didn't you support Rob Young for ages?
Someone please post what I just wrote back to Gary on the URC thread.
https://m.facebook.com/groups/259647654139161?view=permalink&id=1237063449730905&ref=group_header
St Marker wrote:
Lol at Gary on URC for calling us out for not coming onto their page to discuss this- I did and he banned me in 5 minutes flat!
Unlikely they would have taken it down unless it was abusive or you were using a fake profile (URC doesn’t work like LR - everyone posts from real Facebook accounts and are accountable for what they say) Did your post fit those criteria?
Scam_Watcheroo wrote:
Gary Kiernan
I've just gone back through the last few pages of the letsrun thread to catch up on what's going on and a few things struck me as worthy of note.
Firstly the letsrun guys are clearly reading this thread and posting remarks on there to comment on. Even addressing posters here by name with questions. So guys why not join in here with the discussion? Is it because you don't want to comment under your real names when you're insulting someone?
There's an awful lot of 2+2=11. In the absence of explanation small things are being made out to be evidence of malfeasance.
The reaction to your posts James and Lindley sums it up for me. Ignore the fact that Mimi has a proven track record and is perfectly capable of doing this and focus on finding reasons to doubt.
Gary, I believe you or one of your fellow admins have banned many of the LRC posters in the past so it is kind of dumb to extend a fake invite to LRC.
I am also not just an ordinary troll. I was the one that found the video evidence that showed Amy Hughes cheated and I was the one that wrote the computer program that analyzed the footage. And yet I saw you defending Amy Hughes and her boyfriend Dave Keighley and threatening to ban people who didn't toe your line. You were wrong for the millionth time. When was the last time you were ever right in these cheater investigations?
And if you bothered to read my post history, you will see I tend to do very detailed work investigating cheaters, such as with Dave Reading.
I keep open the possibility that Mimi and her team can provide a realistic expansion for:
-all her odd tracker behavior that has occurred multiple times given that I have proved they have been inside AT&T cell coverage for many days
-Why her team keeps using excuse of bad wifi and cell connections from the very start of the whole transcon
-greatly delayed uploads to Strava,
-missing heart rate data,
whereabouts of her second Volkswagen support car,
-extreme lack of any public video footage of her running on this transcon
-What her connection is to proven scammer Ben Rogers and Amy Hughes
Taken together it paints a very suspicious picture. Strava data by itself is worthless without another form of proof since Strava is so easy to fake.
Scam, I've joined in here to reply to this post as you are one of the few on here who seems to want to actually find the truth of what's going on rather than just point fingers and insult. So let me try and clear up a couple of things first.
The URC insists on posters using their own profiles to comment on. Whether that's for controversial posts or not it's just the way we work. We believe if you have something to say you should stand behind it and let people know who you are. Fake profiles and ones created for the purpose of trolling will always be banned. The guy who posted the original thread yesterday was banned not because of the subject but because he created a fake FB profile to do it. No other reason.
You say I've defended cheaters in the past and you're absolutely right I have. And I've been completely and totally wrong. Full admission. But I haven't threatened to ban anyone from the URC for disagreeing with me but for using personal insults against others for disagreeing with them. Again against the rules of the forum.
I was one of the first to write about Keith Vaz and bring him to public attention and indeed wrote a couple of nationally published articles outing him. I'm not completely delusional.
You don't know me. That's fair enough. But I do know Mimi and I know she's perfectly capable of doing this. I can't answer the questions you're asking about Strava data so I'll have to take your word on it that it can be easily changed. But I have a question for you. With your knowledge of how to do it how easy would it be for you to spot it being done? And how easy would it be to do twice a day for ultra distance runs?
Looks like Mimi and her team have been awake for over an hour now since Mimi has already been on the move, currently going 2 mph. Yet we still have no Strava data upload for yesterday. This is so not a transparent transcon. Totally unacceptable.
St Marker wrote:
Rumbles weighing in now on URC calling us all trolls. Where is the personal abuse Alan? Why won't you guys answer legit questions about Mimi's transparency
Thanks for banning me yesterday and then "extending an invite for LR people to come join your discussion"
Didn't you support Rob Young for ages?
You were banned because you created a fake profile to post from. No other reason. The URC isn't the same as LR in that we insist on people posting from their own accounts.
Lots of you guys are clearly reading our posts and cross posting them here, you obviously have fb accounts, why not just post on there with any questions you have?
The only conclusion I can draw from the fact you won't do so is that you don't want to.comment under your own names.
Gary kiernan wrote:
... I do know Mimi and I know she's perfectly capable of doing this.
Hi Gary, excuze me here. Your statement above is one of the things in all of this that is really bugging me. Regardless of what Mimi has done in the past, you absolutely DO NOT know she is perfectly capable of doing this. You are a so called ultra runner guru, right? Which makes your statement all the more incredulous.
A real Persson wrote:
St Marker wrote:Lol at Gary on URC for calling us out for not coming onto their page to discuss this- I did and he banned me in 5 minutes flat!
Unlikely they would have taken it down unless it was abusive or you were using a fake profile (URC doesn’t work like LR - everyone posts from real Facebook accounts and are accountable for what they say) Did your post fit those criteria?
I saw his thread. It was polite and in no way were any of his posts abusive.
He was immediately banned from the group then the whole thread removed, that contained no abuse of any kind.
There is no way the admins can prove an account is fake. You are not required to use a photo of yourself. They do not work for Facebook and have no right to demand proof of ID. They should report to fb if they think fake, and fb will remove if no ID provided.
They simply assumed it was fake as it was only set up about a week ago and he'd used some celeb as a profile picture.
I'll tell you how that crowd works. Its incredibly cliquey and you have to be known by the admins personally to be allowed an opinion.
If they don't know you from the scene you are automatically accused of being a fake profile if you disagree with the main leaders of the clique, who are the admins (Kierman, Rumbles, Bryant) plus the likes of James Adams, mark Cockbain Lindley Chambers etc who think they are terribly important and special. Its always exactly the same people that wade into these kinds of investigations and they were totally fooled by Rob Young for ages and defended him. They are poor judges of character and biased and unwilling to be objective.
If any of this clique posted they had toast for breakfast, 100 sheep would immediately click like, as they feel the need to keep well in with them. No idea why really, just a bunch of weak hangers on thinking it makes them look cool to follow some basically rather unpleasant and biased people with over inflated egos who are nobodies really. The clique are control freaks who feel important throwing their weight around by being in charge of a sad little fb group. They probably go home and get controlled by some nagging wife so need the internet to try and make themselves feel powerful.
Someone needs to remind them being an admin of a fb group in no way makes you special and you don't own the internet, and people are allowed opinions, even opinions that disagree with yours !
excuze me wrote:
Gary kiernan wrote:... I do know Mimi and I know she's perfectly capable of doing this.
Hi Gary, excuze me here. Your statement above is one of the things in all of this that is really bugging me. Regardless of what Mimi has done in the past, you absolutely DO NOT know she is perfectly capable of doing this. You are a so called ultra runner guru, right? Which makes your statement all the more incredulous.
I am most certainly not an ultra runner guru, most of the time I haven't a feckin clue what you lot are on about. But I do know Mimi's history, I've ran with her and I've followed her on some of her other challenges. And I believe peoples pedigree should be taken into account when it comes to whether you believe them capable of something. Don't you?
Wasn't abusive wrote:
A real Persson wrote:Unlikely they would have taken it down unless it was abusive or you were using a fake profile (URC doesn’t work like LR - everyone posts from real Facebook accounts and are accountable for what they say) Did your post fit those criteria?
I saw his thread. It was polite and in no way were any of his posts abusive.
He was immediately banned from the group then the whole thread removed, that contained no abuse of any kind.
There is no way the admins can prove an account is fake. You are not required to use a photo of yourself. They do not work for Facebook and have no right to demand proof of ID. They should report to fb if they think fake, and fb will remove if no ID provided.
They simply assumed it was fake as it was only set up about a week ago and he'd used some celeb as a profile picture.
I'll tell you how that crowd works. Its incredibly cliquey and you have to be known by the admins personally to be allowed an opinion.
If they don't know you from the scene you are automatically accused of being a fake profile if you disagree with the main leaders of the clique, who are the admins (Kierman, Rumbles, Bryant) plus the likes of James Adams, mark Cockbain Lindley Chambers etc who think they are terribly important and special. Its always exactly the same people that wade into these kinds of investigations and they were totally fooled by Rob Young for ages and defended him. They are poor judges of character and biased and unwilling to be objective.
If any of this clique posted they had toast for breakfast, 100 sheep would immediately click like, as they feel the need to keep well in with them. No idea why really, just a bunch of weak hangers on thinking it makes them look cool to follow some basically rather unpleasant and biased people with over inflated egos who are nobodies really. The clique are control freaks who feel important throwing their weight around by being in charge of a sad little fb group. They probably go home and get controlled by some nagging wife so need the internet to try and make themselves feel powerful.
Someone needs to remind them being an admin of a fb group in no way makes you special and you don't own the internet, and people are allowed opinions, even opinions that disagree with yours !
Dude you seem upset. Do you need a hug?
