Pete Kostelnick wrote:
What reroute?
Crossing int NJ you went northeast on highway 94. The route in blue on Sandy's Garmin shows going southeast down highway 46. Then routes come back together highway 620 and 46. Then you went north at road 618 while Sandy stays on 46. Then the routes merge again as they approach Hackensack NJ.
So far today 2 wrote:
Pete Kostelnick wrote:
What reroute?
Crossing int NJ you went northeast on highway 94. The route in blue on Sandy's Garmin shows going southeast down highway 46. Then routes come back together highway 620 and 46. Then you went north at road 618 while Sandy stays on 46. Then the routes merge again as they approach Hackensack NJ.
Got it, I'm not sure where you got the highway 46 route, but it's not the one my sister or I are recommending. The traffic on 46 was very bad.
Pete Kostelnick wrote:
So far today 2 wrote:
Crossing int NJ you went northeast on highway 94. The route in blue on Sandy's Garmin shows going southeast down highway 46. Then routes come back together highway 620 and 46. Then you went north at road 618 while Sandy stays on 46. Then the routes merge again as they approach Hackensack NJ.
Got it, I'm not sure where you got the highway 46 route, but it's not the one my sister or I are recommending. The traffic on 46 was very bad.
The NJ route is not available yet. I used the shortest distance to the NY border to the GW bridge. The Google maps walking route is not entirely along the 46. You can look at the map I created and see where is routes in NJ. Some of the roads seem to be two lanes and tree lined.
5-MILE SPLITS
Day # 49, October 29th
All times are Garmin Time in the Pacific Timezone.
Sandy is in the Eastern timezone.
Start Day & Time: September 11th, 6:01 AM
Time: Miles ~Split Time +/- 3 minutes
02:04 AM: 00 Elapsed time since start: 47:20:03 (days:hours:minutes)
03:28 AM: 05 ~84 min
04:41 AM: 10 ~73 min
05:55 AM: 15 ~74 min
06:01 AM: -- Start of Day 48 per elapsed time since start
07:08 AM: 20 ~73 min
08:22 AM: 25 ~74 min
09:36 AM: 30 ~74 min
10:30 AM: 34 Lunch Break Start
11:01 AM: -- Lunch Break End (31 minutes)
11:19 AM: 35 ~72 min
12:32 PM: 40 ~73 min
01:43 PM: 45 ~71 min
So far today 2 wrote:
The NJ route is not available yet. I used the shortest distance to the NY border to the GW bridge.
That should be from the PA/NJ border that Sandy's Garmin shows as the crossing point to the GW bridge.
So far today 2 wrote:
Okay ... so the numbers AquaDyne had were short by 7-8 miles. The reroute your sister and you came up with is saving a lot of miles for Sandy.
My numbers came from Pete's InReach tracker based on 2-minute plot points. I'm not surprised it's an under-estimate, as it misses corners, shortens curves, etc. It was a decent ballpark estimate when Sandy hit Ohio, and even the PA border, but as they get close enough to make tactical decisions on daily mileage I certainly hope the team has their own better idea of total mileage than the guesstimates here.
AquaDyne wrote:
So far today 2 wrote:
Okay ... so the numbers AquaDyne had were short by 7-8 miles. The reroute your sister and you came up with is saving a lot of miles for Sandy.
My numbers came from Pete's InReach tracker based on 2-minute plot points. I'm not surprised it's an under-estimate, as it misses corners, shortens curves, etc. It was a decent ballpark estimate when Sandy hit Ohio, and even the PA border, but as they get close enough to make tactical decisions on daily mileage I certainly hope the team has their own better idea of total mileage than the guesstimates here.
The team doesn't seem to be using any of the guesstimate numbers. But Sandy's Stava miles entering PA plus Pete's miles to go from there of 416.8 add to 3110 miles.
5-MILE SPLITS
Day # 49, October 29th
All times are Garmin Time in the Pacific Timezone.
Sandy is in the Eastern timezone.
Start Day & Time: September 11th, 6:01 AM
Time: Miles ~Split Time +/- 3 minutes
02:04 AM: 00 Elapsed time since start: 47:20:03 (days:hours:minutes)
03:28 AM: 05 ~84 min
04:41 AM: 10 ~73 min
05:55 AM: 15 ~74 min
06:01 AM: -- Start of Day 48 per elapsed time since start
07:08 AM: 20 ~73 min
08:22 AM: 25 ~74 min
09:36 AM: 30 ~74 min
10:30 AM: 34 Lunch Break Start
11:01 AM: -- Lunch Break End (31 minutes)
11:19 AM: 35 ~72 min
12:32 PM: 40 ~73 min
01:43 PM: 45 ~71 min
02:54 PM: 50 ~71 min
03:37 PM: ~53 (End of her day)
END OF DAY SUMMARY PER STRAVA
Miles 54.7
Elapsed Time (hr:min:sec): Pace
13:34:55 : 14:54 Includes breaks
13:03:55 : 14:20 Excludes breaks
OVERALL SUMMARY
Miles Completed: 2760.5 (Per Stava)
Miles /day: 56.3 (Based on Stava)
Route Miles 3110 (Sandy total miles if staying on Pete's Route)
Miles to Go: 350 (Based on staying on Pete's Route)
To finish in 5 days (Fri) @ 350 miles
Daily x 5 Last day
60 110
61 106
62 102
63 98
64 94
65 90
66 86
To finish in 6 days (Sat) @ 350 miles
Daily x 6 Last day
60 50
59 55
58 60
57 65
56 70
55 75
54 80
To finish in 7 days (Sun) @ 350 miles
Daily x 6 Last day
54 26
53 32
52 38
51 44
50 50
Has anyone posted this story from UltraRunning Magazine yet? https://ultrarunning.com/headlines/ultrarunning-news/sandy-villines-is-running-across-americaand-shes-nearly-there/
When asked for a quote, Sandy was able to offer, “There’s a lot of corn in America,” and “Jay gets in and out of the Clown Car 110 times a day.” Such things occupy the mind of the Running-Eating Machine that Sandy has become for the duration.
...
Sandy is blissfully unhindered by any serious overuse injury. Apart from minor tendinitis, her biggest concern has been a developing carpal tunnel effect from carrying “The Baby,” her live-tracking GPS device. It seems that her body is well-designed to adapt to such immense distances; most of us would have reported to sick bay at least a thousand miles ago.
...
The best guess of the crew at this point is that Sandy will arrive in New York somewhere around November 3-4, just before the Marathon on November 5. Sandy is an unassuming, modest person without any specific desire to make history, but her accomplishment will boost every female athlete, every young woman who dreams of doing something that sounds crazy to others.
Given one more week of freedom from injury, Sandy will mount the steps of New York’s City Hall, and probably burst into a storm of tears, given her raw emotional state. And she won’t be alone. She will have accomplished an act of great courage, strength and personal character, of which all America may be touchingly proud.
In case people are interested in some of the run stats for Sandra, I've been analyzing all her Strava files. Comparing the stats with Mimi Anderson's stats shows exactly why Sandra is on her route and not Mimi's shorter route. Mimi's route has much bigger cumulative gains in elevation per day in two major periods compared with Sandra's much flatter route. Whereas Sandra never had to go above 8,000 feet of elevation gain in a single day, most of Mimi's days had 10,000 to 31,000 feet of elevation gain:
That's actually surprising to me . . . I wouldn't have guessed the shorter "southern" route had more elevation change than Sandy's route. When I think of states like California (especially southern CA), Arizona, Kansas, Missouri, Indiana, etc, I think of pretty flat states.
Also, keep in mind, even on a seemingly flat road, 5000 ft of elevation change over the course of a day is not uncommon. Every road has dozens of feet of minor undulations per mile, even ones you would swear are pancake-flat. For example, my Daytona 100 Ultramarathon has something like 4000 feet of elevation change, even though you cannot spot a single hill on the course (except for one bridge).
At any rate, Sandy didn't do some side-by-side comparison of the two routes and decide the longer northern route was easier, and therefore pick that one. (Actually, the opposite is true . . . she wanted to follow in the footsteps of Marshall and Pete and take the route generally-recognized as the more-difficult one).
Is that GPS elevation data, or does Strava (like e.g. GPSies) correct it through DEM sources?
The plots of elevation gain are created using the elevations given by Strava. It is from their elevation data base since the watches they are using do not have barometers.
AquaDyne wrote:
Has anyone posted this story from UltraRunning Magazine yet?
https://ultrarunning.com/headlines/ultrarunning-news/sandy-villines-is-running-across-americaand-shes-nearly-there/
I hadn't seen that. Thanks.
Sandy still doesn't know about Mimi dropping out, right? That's pretty cool. I'm glad no one spilled the beans by accident.
Zwitty wrote:
That's actually surprising to me . . . I wouldn't have guessed the shorter "southern" route had more elevation change than Sandy's route. When I think of states like California (especially southern CA), Arizona, Kansas, Missouri, Indiana, etc, I think of pretty flat states.
Southern California is not flat at all. Also, there is PA to go. The PA route I made on plotaroute .com shows,
Total Ascent/Descent -- 26896 feet / 27660 feet
That seems like a lot for PA. Scam can look over the data he has and compare PA to prior states. PA may come out the winner for total ascent/descent.
scam_watcheroo wrote:
The plots of elevation gain are created using the elevations given by Strava. It is from their elevation data base since the watches they are using do not have barometers.
GPS that uses barometric sensors for elevation gain not very accurate for long runs. Sandy's Garmin is using better "tech"--GPS satellites do not measure elevation directly.
This article might be of interest to those interested in GPS elevation accuracy and how it is done.
https://www.pobonline.com/articles/84320-from-the-ground-up-accurate-elevations-from-gps5-MILE SPLITS
Day # 50, October 30th
All times are Garmin Time in the Pacific Timezone.
Sandy is in the Eastern timezone.
Start Day & Time: September 11th, 6:01 AM
Time: Miles ~Split Time +/- 3 minutes
01:56 AM: 00 Elapsed time since start: 48:19:55 (days:hours:minutes)
03:15 AM: 05 ~79 min
04:34 AM: 10 ~79 min
06:01 AM: -- Start of Day 49 per elapsed time since start
06:02 AM: 15 ~88 min
07:17 AM: 20 ~75 min
scam_watcheroo wrote:
The plots of elevation gain are created using the elevations given by Strava. It is from their elevation data base since the watches they are using do not have barometers.
I just went to Mimi's Strava profile and show much less elevation gain by clicking on the weekly summary:
Sep 4 - 10 12,490
Sep 11 - 17 34,045
Sep 18 - 24 36,661
Sep 25 - Oct 1 21,287
Oct 2 - Oct 8 30,156
Oct 9 - Oct 15 19,301
Total: 153,940 (which includes perhaps a double watch entry from Sep 18-24 since it says she ran 478 miles that week)
Average over 40 days = 3,848.50 (not taking out a possibly double entry)