Just saw the news where the guy who works a hotdog joint lost his job.
Freedom of speech protects him
This will be a huge lawsuit
Just saw the news where the guy who works a hotdog joint lost his job.
Freedom of speech protects him
This will be a huge lawsuit
Is he in prison? If not, he has freedom of speech. His boss has the freedom to fire him so his business isn't associated with the klan.
I'm assuming you are a troll; how does losing his job affect his ability to speak freely?
2nd amendment wrote:
Just saw the news where the guy who works a hotdog joint lost his job.
Freedom of speech protects him
This will be a huge lawsuit
First amendment only prohibits government from punishing speech.
Individuals and corporations are not restricted by the first amendment
Why I am wasting my time on a knuckle dragger like you is a good question. No way you can fathom the distinction
You have the freedom to say whatever you want. You don't have the freedom to be free of consequences from the things you say.
Um... freedom of speech is the first amendment.
Tycobb wrote:
Is he in prison? If not, he has freedom of speech. His boss has the freedom to fire him so his business isn't associated with the klan.
True, but I'll bet you don't feel the same way about Colin Kaep
The First Amendment of the U.S. Constitution prohibits the government from "abridging the freedom of speech." But what does this freedom of speech encompass?
Unfortunately (or fortunately, depending on how you look at it), freedom of speech doesn't necessarily mean you can say whatever you want whenever you want to.
When might your freedom of speech be limited? Here are five examples:
In a private home. The First Amendment prohibits the government from abridging the freedom of speech, but unless an individual is acting on behalf of the government or as a government agent, she is generally free to prohibit any kind of speech she wants in her own home, or any other private setting, as long as she does so without breaking another law, such as physically assaulting someone.
In a private workplace. If you work for a private employer, you generally have no right to free speech in the workplace, and can be disciplined for what you say. However, your employer may run afoul of other laws, such as discrimination laws if you're fired for religious expression, or labor laws if you're fired for reporting labor violations or whistleblowing.
Social media. Although social media sites like Facebook might seem like an ideal public forum for posting unpopular or controversial content, as private companies, they are technically free to delete or otherwise censor any content they deem offensive.
School activities. Although students at public schools still have the right to First Amendment free speech, their rights may not be as extensive as the rights of adults. For example, in a 1988 Supreme Court case, the court ruled that students' free speech rights weren't violated when school administrators removed articles from a student newspaper that dealt with controversial topics.
Obscene speech. The First Amendment does not protect speech or expression that is considered "obscene." This is why child porn is against the law. However, the exact line between obscenity and free speech is often hard to determine. For example, the filmmaker behind the controversial "2 Girls, 1 Cup" viral video was sentenced to four years in prison for making films that were considered obscene, despite his contention that they were "art" protected by the First Amendment.
Yet another racist thread, this time playing the victim angle.
Go back to your safe space, loser.
Another Option wrote:
Social media. Although social media sites like Facebook might seem like an ideal public forum for posting unpopular or controversial content, as private companies, they are technically free to delete or otherwise censor any content they deem offensive..
I think that this is going to change very soon. While Facebook, the company, is a private employer, it's service is a de facto platform for speech. Facebook is acting as both a monopoly an a utility.
Presently Facebook has been banning anything that contradicts their "progressive" monoculture. It is Big Brother, and they are dangerous, much more dangerous than those they are oppressing.
http://www.lifezette.com/polizette/silicon-valley-tightens-its-grip-on-free-speech/Room 101 wrote:
Another Option wrote:Social media. Although social media sites like Facebook might seem like an ideal public forum for posting unpopular or controversial content, as private companies, they are technically free to delete or otherwise censor any content they deem offensive..
I think that this is going to change very soon. While Facebook, the company, is a private employer, it's service is a de facto platform for speech. Facebook is acting as both a monopoly an a utility.
Presently Facebook has been banning anything that contradicts their "progressive" monoculture. It is Big Brother, and they are dangerous, much more dangerous than those they are oppressing.
http://www.lifezette.com/polizette/silicon-valley-tightens-its-grip-on-free-speech/
I thought only old ladies used facebook.
well educated black people are denied jobs every day in this country because some hiring manager didn't like their name or the way they wear their hair. so this doesn't bother me or seem equitable at all. good riddance there is no place for that in most work places.]
On the bright side, now he has all the time he needs to exercise his 1st Amendment rights. By the way, 2nd Amendment, since when are you so concerned about the 1st Amendment? You should holster your ignorance before it misfires.
2nd amendment wrote:
Just saw the news where the guy who works a hotdog joint lost his job.
Freedom of speech protects him
This will be a huge lawsuit
Did you not see him on TV?
He got his freedom of speech
What he didn't get is his freedom from consequence of speech
There's a difference
Good job trying to defend racism though, but try better next time
The entire concept of white nationalism is predicated on the self-victimization of white people. It is as toxic to its adherents as it is to the people they target.
I'm all for freedom of speech, but what you apologists are asking for isn't just just freedom of speech - it's freedom from consequences to your actions. The thing is, your words affect more people than just yourself. If you spew division and hate you become a liability to your employer; you're almost guaranteed to be creating a hostile work environment for coworkers and customers. No man is an island; if you're going to offend and divide with your speech you have to take responsibility for the choice you made.
The number of apologists for white supremacists on these boards is saddening and deeply disappointing. Are you sure this is purely about free speech? Because I'm beginning to wonder if the reason you're so concerned with this issue is because you actually identify with the white nationalists, and even sympathize with them. We can be better than this, Letsrun.
WestWould wrote:
well educated black people are denied jobs every day in this country because some hiring manager didn't like their name or the way they wear their hair. so this doesn't bother me or seem equitable at all. good riddance there is no place for that in most work places.
Why are you being racist? The situation you are citing is not limited to black people. It happens to all races. Yes, that means even white people.
That's the whole point of demonstrations like this one in Charlottesville. They are their to show that white people have the same problems as non-white people. No race should be put above any other race. We're all dealing with the same problems. Let's work together. But instead, people like you want to yell "racist" or "white supremacist" or "kkk" anytime a bunch of white people appear in the same location. This is reverse racism. You don't even realize you are doing it.
Forgive me for yelling NAZI and KKK at a crowd carrying torches and waving Nazi flags.
No,he actually quit, fairly amiably (the owner is a libertarian).
Re-check the facts (NYT copied from local Berkeley paper, which later issued a correction).
Hitler did the same thing. You were not on board then you were thrown out of your job, thrown out of office or physically dragged from your office. Same with the French Enlightenment. Then maybe even jail, or death. Hitler got rid of guns in the citizenry....hmm where have I heard that before. They yelled for the assassination of those not politically correct in heart and mind with the 3rd Reich....have heard that lately also.
Room 101 wrote:
Another Option wrote:Social media. Although social media sites like Facebook might seem like an ideal public forum for posting unpopular or controversial content, as private companies, they are technically free to delete or otherwise censor any content they deem offensive..
I think that this is going to change very soon. While Facebook, the company, is a private employer, it's service is a de facto platform for speech. Facebook is acting as both a monopoly an a utility.
Presently Facebook has been banning anything that contradicts their "progressive" monoculture. It is Big Brother, and they are dangerous, much more dangerous than those they are oppressing.
This is correct. Similarly, such entities as airlines, colloquially called "common carriers", have special rights as quasi-monopolies, but also the responsibility not to discriminate on political grounds.