140 Miles per week

forgot

10) I don't run in training shoes - ever

I wear racing shoes. I hate what the shoe industry has done to shoes and would have gotten injuried years ago had I not made the switch...at first it made my calves sore, but now I can run 20 milers and won't be sore.

I still struggle with finding the right shoe for racing and this sometimes causes my races to suck.

jerrry wrote:

forgot

10) I don't run in training shoes - ever

I wear racing shoes. I hate what the shoe industry has done to shoes and would have gotten injuried years ago had I not made the switch...at first it made my calves sore, but now I can run 20 milers and won't be sore.

I still struggle with finding the right shoe for racing and this sometimes causes my races to suck.

I run 80-100 mpw in racing flats, i don't believe in all the cushioning crap, got injured a lot when i ran in training shoes.

thanks for this. i have to think about it. great input.

The high volume often made me feel tired and effected the quality workouts. I did doubles and had to go up early in the morning to find time for an easy 8-10 km morning run before a fulltime job. Today I realize It had been better to sleep and recover that extra time. I`m absolutely sure that the extra slow morning run didn`t give a significant amount of mithocondrias extra.

When I started to run once per day and one restday per week all positive effects came fast. No problems to hold my best individual paces and mostly very strong and full of energy. And I race faster then ever. And the improvement from age 26 up to age 30 just kept on.But there at age 30 I got a strange injury from too much tredmill running in thin race-shoes that winther, and I couldn`t come back until 2 years later. I think that Bruce Tulloh`s advice to young runners, that they first should see what they can do on one session per day , is a very good one.Runners up in age that run big mileage have mostly a lot to win by reducing mileage and mostly run once per day. And again....It`s not mainly how many miles you run in the week that

decide your race results.It`s more about how you run your miles.

I still am on Facebook as Jan Stensson and/or COACH J.S.

snowflake runner wrote:

jerrry wrote:

forgot

10) I don't run in training shoes - ever

I wear racing shoes. I hate what the shoe industry has done to shoes and would have gotten injuried years ago had I not made the switch...at first it made my calves sore, but now I can run 20 milers and won't be sore.

I still struggle with finding the right shoe for racing and this sometimes causes my races to suck.

I run 80-100 mpw in racing flats, i don't believe in all the cushioning crap, got injured a lot when i ran in training shoes.

Totally agree.

I made the switch 14yr ago. Convinced here on LR by Jaguar1 aka Camille Herron who just won Comrades. Best decision ever.

patti wrote:

I'm finding out the same thing. I chucked the chocolate milk and have lemon and kiwis instead.

Watermelon and fruit smoothies for me.

aging cheaters wrote:

reading this article is just horrible. is it that easy to get a low-t treatment? if there is a clinical need to use a low testosterone therapy - alright then. but those using it to cheat are so pathetic. how many are out there, inflated with testosteron in disregard of heavy risks, just to perform in a local 10k three minutes faster than under normal circumstances and never get tested?

I think a growing number of competitors getting up there in age are looking for an edge. Of course the older athletes that are using TRT and/or other PEDs aren't going to say anything...who would have thought. It's just their little secret and they'll just us dazzled with incredible performances & training volume/intensity resembling much younger top elites. This cyclist did come out and talk little about his secret:

Pretzel Man wrote:

jerrry wrote:

not to blow your mind but I am 52

this summer I have run

200, 170, 127,180.... (ave 130 for the last 16 weeks)

212 was my highest 7 day total

and I didn't die...I got really tired, but that is expected

I'm not an ultra marathoner

or even a marathoner really (though I have done one)

it is not what I am training for (2m - 1/2 marathon Is my target)

You should know back in the day, runners regularly ran over 140 miler per week - the good ones, that is. I maxed out a 100 in college.

So your not married and have no sex life, because with that kinda milage wood don't come easy.

Bump !

oh lord, what a disillusioning reading. now i consider some performances of some masters to be more than questionable.

i know two outstanding masters in my region, a former european top class 3k hurdler and a national top class distance runner. sometimes they participate in a race to see what is left in the basket, so they have done something (but not too much), it is all fun and no more. due to their extraordinary talent the results are good and reflect their talent as well as normal aging, especially age grading statistics. these guys are open-minded and talk with a smile in the face about the signs of age. compare this to others.

this being said, i consider 140 miles with a few exceptions to be useless at best.

aging cheaters wrote:

this being said, i consider 140 miles with a few exceptions to be useless at best.

Why is that? Some of these posters running mega-mileage brag about as if it's a badge of honor.

Inquiry minds want to know wrote:

aging cheaters wrote:

this being said, i consider 140 miles with a few exceptions to be useless at best.

Why is that? Some of these posters running mega-mileage brag about as if it's a badge of honor.

140 mpw, World Beater Number One = Perfectly clear.

80 mpw, Yuki Kawauchi = Great.

140 mpw, Mr. No Great Results = Waste of lifetime and shoes.

YUP! That too!

As to running a ot back in the day. Just about everybody ran 140 or at least tried too. I did it. And after the fatigue goes away, a whole new world opened up. however, I was bound and determine to make it work. LOL!

Though 140 -150 would be the peak. I averaged around 120. And 100 between seasons.

ScriptedConnection wrote:

Wow, thanks for the input. That's impressive!

Sorry to bother but may I know how long you had been running prior to your 32:12 old p.b and what your mileage was back then?

And with that big jump mileage over the years, have you developed any overuse injuries and if so how do you cope with it?

I am planning to increase my mileage as well, albeit with a much more modest p.b. (17:03 5k, 35:33 10k), but injury is my concern.

I assume that you were replying to me. That 32:12 season came when I was a sophomore in college and I'd been "training" or "competing" since 7th grade. So.... about 8 years of running track seasons but only 6 years of fall running seasons.

The last injury I had was the season before 2012 where I suffered from weak glutes and adductors/abductors. I sat out that cross country, indoor, and outdoor season trying to get healthy. Since then I've been injury free (knock on wood) and do a little bit of maintenance work and specific rehab to stay healthy.

I think when you run a lot, lets say at least 10 miles per day, you start to get better at running. Then as you increase mileage you're practicing running more and you continue to get better at it. I think there is an initial hump that you need to get over and for your body to get used to the pounding. But once you cross that line its actually easier to train and run more.

The more you run makes you better at standing the mileage, but not necessarily makes you a faster runner at races. A lot of runners over the world can run high mileage , but very few can run real fast. Why do runners who wants faster times run high mileage? They know long steady distance improves the cardio-vascular system and more mithocondrias will be produced . But is there another more effective way to reach at least the same effect? Yes there is! The scientists have shown that mithocondrias will be produced even at so called "HIT" training and at intervals at a fast pace. Not so many mitochondrias as in LSD-running , but stronger and more effective. If one take this knowledge into a new approach, where there is a mix with the old and the new knowledge, one can reach higher levels then ever before and with just enough mileage and effort.

COACH J.S

COACH J.S � � � wrote:

The high volume often made me feel tired and effected the quality workouts. I did doubles and had to go up early in the morning to find time for an easy 8-10 km morning run before a fulltime job. Today I realize It had been better to sleep and recover that extra time. I`m absolutely sure that the extra slow morning run didn`t give a significant amount of mithocondrias extra.

When I started to run once per day and one restday per week all positive effects came fast. No problems to hold my best individual paces and mostly very strong and full of energy. And I race faster then ever.

Let me get this straight, you ran high mileage for a while then dropped it down to lower mileage and positive effects came fast and you could run faster than ever. But you don't give the high mileage any credit. You now only believe that low mileage with many intervals is the key to fast running. That is, intervals at the exact correct paces. Like you did when you ran your PRs, but not really because those exact correct paces in hindsight weren't the exact correct paces for you.

Is that about right?

Mr. Annotator wrote:

Inquiry minds want to know wrote:

Why is that? Some of these posters running mega-mileage brag about as if it's a badge of honor.

140 mpw, World Beater Number One = Perfectly clear.

80 mpw, Yuki Kawauchi = Great.

140 mpw, Mr. No Great Results = Waste of lifetime and shoes.

Ah yes, Kawauchi again. I'm a big fan but the last time I checked there were four Japanese who have faster times than he does, though he did beat Inoue, who is one of them, in London. And the East Africans who frequently beat him are generally running a lot closer to 140 a week than to his 80. I'm a big fan and think he has a lot of lessons for western runners but "80-85 mpw will beat 130-140 most of the time" is not one of them.

HRE wrote:

I'm a big fan and think he has a lot of lessons for western runners but "80-85 mpw will beat 130-140 most of the time" is not one of them.

The lesson of Kawauchi is no "80-85 mpw will beat 130-140 most of the time." It is "to each his own."

Oh, I forgot. Kawauchi lacks motivation and commitment because he runs only 80-85mpw. What a wuss...

Coach J.S:

The problem is, we are not as talented as those Kenyans. Kirui won WC and that 16 yo guy that you mentioned, are insanely talented and their success is not exactly because of their 80 mile weeks. What will happen if they ran more?

Most runners max out mitochondria production and capillary development pretty easily. What you are getting from a lot of easy miles is the improvement in running economy.

http://running.competitor.com/2013/08/training/how-laziness-makes-you-a-better-runner_42680