Breaking: IAAF/British have BARRED Isaac Makwala from competing in 400 final because he's sick

ridiculous wrote:

You think the IAAF can control all the variables? You think they are in charge of the lab in Cambridge and can just order them to drop all other work they are doing and test the sample of Isaac Makwala of Botswana because its the most important thing in the world? It's not an anti-doping lab, it's just a lab run by NHS or some other health body.

Did they try? One day would have been enough and with available information that is the time it would have taken the lab.

ridiculous wrote:

And i'd also like to reiterate that those stating that 'Makwala felt fine' by time the final are completely missing the point.

This is not about pretecting Makwala's health.

He would not die of norovirus.

This is about protecting the other athletes and the whole championships.

You remain contagious for many hours, even a couple of days, after you 'feel fine'.

you're missing the important points.

1) if the IAAF bans athletes from competing simply because they suspect they carry a disease, without proof, nobody will ever talk to their doctors anymore. think about the implications.

2) Norovirus is not like Ebola. They could have taken precautionary measures while letting him compete.

3) IAAF are now trying to put the blame on the British public health authorities. There's even a guy in this thread refuting this point.

4) I still believe this would not have happened to Mo Farah, WvN, Muir, Bolt etc. Can you really imagine they'd do that?

It's true, LR is as usual shooting from the hips, but in this case they have a point. The whole thing is a disgrace, and even if you don't care about Makwala you should see that the optics are so terrible that they should have looked for a different solution.

Makwala was quarantined Monday, 14.00.

The 400m final was Tuesday, 21.50

You wrote that it takes the lab one day to analyze the sample.

Seems like there was more than enough time

That is our point. The IAAF isn't acting with reason, they are acting in their own best interests - they are allowed to but it is ruining their brand.

So there is only one lab in London that can test for Noro? - British health care system seems to be far worse than I thought

A few years back, the NCAA men's D1 swimming championships got hit by a norovirus outbreak. (Got traced to an airline flight the impacted schools shared) The meet went into a 24 hour delay on the advice of the CDC and Ohio Health Department in order to clean the facility- they shocked (overchlorinated) the pool because no one wants to be swimming in feces soup and a facilities team bleached the heck out of anything on land.

http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/local/2010/03/25/NCAA-swimming-sick-flight-Texas.html

The 48 hour rule was discussed and affected athletes had their hotel rooms reshuffled but at no point was anyone who felt ready and willing to compete outright banned from swimming. And a pool during championship meet warm up where close contact is mandatory is a far more likely disease vector than a stadium where athletes can spread out more, provided that your facilities crews there are also Bleaching All The Things and you are communicating in appropriate languages to athletes and delegations about best sanitation practices.

longjack wrote:

for rojo's benefit, African's have a different way with facts, they are malleable to the moment, which is to say, you can't take coach literally. he's capturing the feeling of the moment, well maybe probably.

this analysis works most days of the week.

Right. That is an Africa-specific issue. Right.

longjack wrote:

Certainly Not Skuj wrote:

I haven't read this whole thread yet, but I just want to ask:

Are we all Medical Doctors, suddenly? We know best?

we are not talking about people who know about medicine. we are talking about fakers, people who practice medicine without knowing their head from their arssse.

At least some of us are MDs.

And truthfully, there are environmental health and infection prevention personnel who know more about this topic than the average MD.

Duisenberg wrote:

https://www.iaaf.org/competitions/iaaf-world-championships/news/iaaf-statement-isaac-makwala

Makwala was quarantined Monday, 14.00.

Let me share some basics with you (and the IAAF).

If Makwala was indeed symptomatic, we was isolated, not quarantined.

There is a difference between quarantine (asymptomatic individual, potentially exposed but not yet ill) and isolation (symptomatic individual). This is a pretty important distinctionn - at least if the IAAF, LR posters or anyone else is trying to speak intelligently on the issue.

ridiculous wrote:

What do you want them to do? Pretend he didn't vomit and treat him as he is clean then let him infect others and potentially bring down the games?

YES.

50 percent of people in the US don't wash their hands after going to the loo, including you probably, so you might as well ban everyone.

This illness is VERY contagious. Anyone that has been to a proper event with warm-up area and call room will know that you can infect everyone. Imagine if Niekerk came down with it and had to pull out the 200m?

That is total bogus BS.

ridiculous wrote:

as the woman representing the health of the athletes said on TV, the only lab available to carry out those tests is in Cambridge, and it takes a day for the results to get back after sending the samples.

He had never failed a test. There was ZERO reason to ban him.

Thank you. This is the best summary so far. 48 hours is a recommendaction. It's a fairly common disease. It's not Illegal to be sick. Outside of food preperation, you will never be denied access to something you do everyday because your sick.

Also, does the IAAF even have the right to deny Makwala entry to the stadium? The stadium is owned by London itself, and the IAAF is a private international orginazation, by any means not a law enforment agency. They took him and escorted him to their office like a crimial or a school kid. I know nothing about british law.

Duisenberg wrote:

Makwala was quarantined on Tuesday, the final was on Wednesday. if the IAAF acted in the best interest of the athletes, they would have done absolutely everything in their power to get those lab results asap, instead of sitting on their lazy asses and being content with destroying an athletes dreams

You're totally missing the point.

He had not failed any test.

There was NO indication that he had anything dangerous.

THERE WAS NO REASON TO KEEP HIM FROM COMPETING.

public health runners wrote:

longjack wrote:

we are not talking about people who know about medicine. we are talking about fakers, people who practice medicine without knowing their head from their arssse.

At least some of us are MDs.

And truthfully, there are environmental health and infection prevention personnel who know more about this topic than the average MD.

got any names of the so called good doctors? got a copy of the protocol fhe used at their hotel - incubator of infectious disease - food poisoning....

Deanouk wrote:

Re point 1), well he clearly did. I've just seen him say it to camera. They saw him vomit, they asked if he was alright and he said, "NO, I'M NOT OK!"

This is why the rules are there, to have representatives and translators present.

Obviously what you heard was not what he said, but what you thought that he meant, which was wrong.

Olympic champion Elaine Thompson was also physically sick before the 100 meters final on Sunday, though the Jamaican said that was not unusual for her and hadn't had any effect on her below-par performance. She finished fifth."

Clearly she is sick before races (nerves most likely) often and didn't think anything of it so didn't go to the doctors.

There was a guy on my high school cross country team who threw up after every cross country race, and sometimes before them.

He was never quarantined, and no one else ever got sick from him.

In fact this probably happens all over the world, and no one else ever gets sick from this.

Great post.

ridiculous wrote:

This is not about pretecting Makwala's health.

He would not die of norovirus.

This is about protecting the other athletes and the whole championships.

You remain contagious for many hours, even a couple of days, after you 'feel fine'.

If he wouldn't die, then why would anyone else be in danger. You make no sense at all. The fact is that he didn't have anything, and there's no evidence that he did.

public health runner wrote:

Duisenberg wrote:https://www.iaaf.org/competitions/iaaf-world-championships/news/iaaf-statement-isaac-makwala

Makwala was quarantined Monday, 14.00.

Let me share some basics with you (and the IAAF).

If Makwala was indeed symptomatic, we was isolated, not quarantined.

There is a difference between quarantine (asymptomatic individual, potentially exposed but not yet ill) and isolation (symptomatic individual). This is a pretty important distinctionn - at least if the IAAF, LR posters or anyone else is trying to speak intelligently on the issue.

So? doesn't change anything about my point, that they had ample time to get a lab test.