Simple fact is you're allowed 4 times the normal testosterone levels. Why should be believe athletes aren't taking advantage.
3.9 times normal is 'clean'. Yeah right.
Simple fact is you're allowed 4 times the normal testosterone levels. Why should be believe athletes aren't taking advantage.
3.9 times normal is 'clean'. Yeah right.
What you're ignoring is that all the 100m times go up and down as a group. When gay and powell got busted everyone slowed down. When Bolt ran 9.58 gay ran 9.68 (wind aided) and 9.69. Bolt was always a little bit better, but he never was that much better.
The difference in my opinion between this and 2015 is that the drugs were wearing off the field and Gatlin ran in lane 8. Gatlin did not overstride to keep up with Bolt like in 2015, instead he kept his fast turnover and ran his own race while Bolt leaned too early. You do not want to synchronize steps with bolt, you want to beat him with fast turnover.
I love watching T&F, but unfortunately I believe that a runner in a final at the World Championships or Olympics are all certainly suspicious of doping or at least taking supplements to get your blood chemistry just right and just within the legal limits. Bolt is no different. Gatlin has actually been caught twice, so the fact that he is even allowed to run almost makes the sport a sham.
Bolt false started in the 100m so DNF. My first thought was he was avoiding being tested. Now he loses the 200m. Did his probability of testing go down for that race? Or did he need a few days to get his blood numbers right to pass tests? Or is this all legitimate and I am just tainted by reading about a new doper once a week?
It just means he's clean *now*
Those were some slow times
JustMaybe.... wrote:
Gatlin has actually been caught twice, so the fact that he is even allowed to run almost makes the sport a sham.
Just a friendly PSA, for the 100th time, it is not fair to call Gatlin a twice convicted doper. The first ban was for a prescription medication he was legitimately prescribed for his well documented ADHD diagnosis, which he did not take during competition, and the ban was successfully appealed once that became clear.
This is the same medication that Simone Biles is prescribed and took during competition with a TUE during the Rio Olympics. I can't say for sure whether or not that's fair, but it gives some perspective.
JustMaybe.... wrote:
Did his probability of testing go down for that race?
No. Places 1-3 get urinalysis tests with two more chosen from the field.
It can't be stated enough, if these dopers are failing an in-competition urinalysis, they are failing an IQ test.
Let's pretend for a minute a urinalysis turns up positive on that podium. The IAAF is not required to sanction the athlete.
I don't see any logic in this.
There's probably runners now that are doped just to get a 9.97. The time is irrelevant. Bolt took a lot of time off after Rio, had injuries, is out of shape, and still can't get his start together. And he's getting old.
If he doped to get 9.58 and 19.19 and didn't get caught and serve his time, I don't care if he's clean now or not, but to say he's clean just because he lost is terrible logic.
During his comeback Lance Armstrong also lost even though he was still doping. It's just what happens as you get older even if you're doping or not.
NOP Skeptic wrote:
I don't see any logic in this.
There's probably runners now that are doped just to get a 9.97.
If he doped to get 9.58 and 19.19 and didn't get caught and serve his time, I don't care if he's clean now or not, but to say he's clean just because he lost is terrible logic.
But good logic is saying that plenty of people dope to get to 9.97...but the guy running half a second faster in the 100m is probably clean.
Be realistic. Bolt didn't just break the world record, he demolished it. He ran so fast that current 100m sprinters at World Championships are running a half second slower. Wake up.
Dingler wrote:
During his comeback Lance Armstrong also lost even though he was still doping. It's just what happens as you get older even if you're doping or not.
he's not "old". Only 30 years old. Kim Collins was sub 10 with 40. Gatlin ran 9.88 basic with 35.
No he's steadily slowed ever since Jamaica introduced out of season testing
I am going to scream!
Haven't read entire thread, but it's not obvious Bolt is totally out of shape? Totally unfit!
Looks like he just rolled off the couch after eating a dozen donuts and then getting into the blocks.
Ask any capable sprint coach that was in the stadium, or painfully watching on NBC. Nobody will say it in public, but many (all?) will say so in private!
It just proved that Bolt is ready to retire.
He's already mentally unwinding and you cant win like that.
I thought he retired after 2016. Made constant statements that he's tired of the training. Why did he need to run this 2017 WC? He was alread the greatest of all time. He only made his marketability less by losing.
Starting to think Robert that you just stalk my posts and repost when the dust settles.
OBTW tell wejo 'out Colorados Colorado' wasn't his either.
Should we get rolling on John Stiner?
Didn't think so.
DopingExpert wrote:
NOP Skeptic wrote:I don't see any logic in this.
There's probably runners now that are doped just to get a 9.97.
If he doped to get 9.58 and 19.19 and didn't get caught and serve his time, I don't care if he's clean now or not, but to say he's clean just because he lost is terrible logic.
But good logic is saying that plenty of people dope to get to 9.97...but the guy running half a second faster in the 100m is probably clean.
Be realistic. Bolt didn't just break the world record, he demolished it. He ran so fast that current 100m sprinters at World Championships are running a half second slower. Wake up.
I agree. I think the fact that his time was over a tenth to 2 tenths faster than a list of dopers (9.69-9.79) has to mean something. I never said I thought he was clean and I probably don't.
I just don't think his London race has anything to do with whether he's clean or not. And I don't care if he's clean now, he could have very well doped in the past and if he did and didn't serve his time, I have no respect for him.
Mater a fact, I have no respect for him now because of his cocky attitude and the fact that he's cheated on his wife. Watching him at the post race conference was sad, he's so unprofessional.
How many times did Ben Johnson lose? All the Dubin Inquiry Canadian sprinters that admitted to doping? How about all the Operation BALCO sprinters that admitted doping? How about Justin Gatlin losing to Bolt all these many times? You think he is doing these second and third places the last several years clean?
I am not going to say anything mean about you or your friend, because I don't need to, but you should read your posts and think a LOT MORE about them before you press {POST MESSAGE}.
If 3 guys all dope something something
rojo wrote:
That's what a buddy of mine thinks:
What say you?
I'll say your buddy and you are both boobs.
It is also worth noting that the whole physiological advantage of bolt is completely overblown due to the fact 200m record would be blakes with decent reaction time, and both blake and gay would be very close to bolts record in 100m if gay had similiar start to powell in 2009 race and blake had 1.5s-2.0s of headwind in his 2012 race.