DOWN GOES BOLT! / Justin Gatlin- The Champion track deserves

Icarus. wrote:

Bolt flew too close to the sun.

Does Bolt lose sponsorship dollars for this loss? It's always better to go out on top. It's like when Brett Favre went for another season, right? Favre definitely damaged his market value, but did Bolt?

Crowds love bolt. The iAAF loves bolt. Gatlin vs. Bolt generates attention, so, let them dope.

Manufactured drama, now with more PEDs. It's that simple.

Seeker of truth wrote:

El Keniano wrote:

TO JUSTIN GATLIN!!! He gets his revenge against Bolt and a classless British public and media.

Agreed. The UK oligarchs controlling track and field wanted Bolt to win so they could line their pockets with even more money from his post-career endorsements. They don't talk about how Bolt has been visiting Dr. Wohlfahrt religiously since he was 16 years old. Bolt has been pumped up with the latest, most advanced drug cocktails which are either undetectable or deemed legal by WADA if used to certain limits, limits which are almost impossible to detect.

They don't need to talk about the German doctor, as it's been known for ages that Bolt, and many other leading sportsmen/women, visits him when injured.

They also gave him a starring role in Bolt's documentary film, "I Am Bolt" for the whole world to see him at work.

Who are these UK Oligarchs that control T&F? I thought it was Nike, a US company! lol.

I don't particularly like Farah and have my doubts about him, as do many other UK enthusiasts of Track that I talk to. But there is a BIG difference between Gatlin an the 2 examples you give; neither Farah nor Ohurogo have failed a drug test, whereas Gatlin has !.....twice. I am aware of the circumstances of his first test, yes, but all the more reason to not then make the choice to use other drugs after. Obviously that deterrent didn't work with him!

UK fans are consistently harsh towards proven dopers. Linford Christie became a pariah after he tested positive post career and wasn't allowed to be at track side at meets when coaching, and Chambers was often booed by home crowds post his suspension.

Irrespective of whether Farah or the big O doped, there is no proof that they did. A crowd, however knowledgeable, aren't mind readers and can hardly go around booing anyone that they 'feel' might be doping, can they?

But of course posters on here, who pretend to be knowledgeable, can metaphorically boo any athlete they don't like or feel must be doping, even without a positive test. The hypocrisy is mind-blowing.

Yes, that's exactly the point I was succinctly making. I don't think Gatlin is doping now, but that isn't why I don't like him. He has cheated in the past, never apologised for it, never admitted to it, and was allowed (no, that's not his fault, I realise) to return with the long term benefits of steroids in his system, enabling him to deny others (many clean athletes) from possible medals, glory, financial rewards, etc.

He would certainly be at the top of the IAAF testing pool, and it was that testing system that caught out Powell and Blake, amongst other Jamaican runners. And no, I don't support Blake or Powell either.

Access to Jamaicans for the IAAF to test them, prior to the Jamaican national testing procedures being forced to become more rigid, is certainly more successful than those Kenyans and Ethiopians who disappear into the mountains for months on end.

9.95 honestly seems a bit slow for Bolt.

I think he might have have gotten injured, didn't train as hard, or is just getting old. Bolt can usually eat a candy bar and hit 9.95. I think this loss though might have damaged the marketability of Bolt. People now probably don't see him as the untouchable athlete he usually is, because he just lost. I think that the reason people are celebrating Gatlin's victory is mostly because Bolt has been so dominant that everybody else is an underdog if they're in the same race as him.

Suppose Bolt comes back for a year and Puma launches an ad campaign on 'Redemption.' Definitely seems like something that could blow up, couldn't it? This time, he could be the underdog. Just doesn't seem right for a sprinter as great as Bolt to fall short and lose his last track event.

9.95??? wrote:

9.95 honestly seems a bit slow for Bolt.

I think he might have have gotten injured, didn't train as hard, or is just getting old. Bolt can usually eat a candy bar and hit 9.95. I think this loss though might have damaged the marketability of Bolt. People now probably don't see him as the untouchable athlete he usually is, because he just lost. I think that the reason people are celebrating Gatlin's victory is mostly because Bolt has been so dominant that everybody else is an underdog if they're in the same race as him.

Suppose Bolt comes back for a year and Puma launches an ad campaign on 'Redemption.' Definitely seems like something that could blow up, couldn't it? This time, he could be the underdog. Just doesn't seem right for a sprinter as great as Bolt to fall short and lose his last track event.

It was cold

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El Keniano wrote:

Gatlin gives a classy interview to FranceTVSport France 2. Heaps praise on Bolt, says it's not a revenge and ignores the booing crowd because "my parents are here".

I, for one, am happy for him. DUDE DID HIS TIME! What would have if we can't believe rehabilitation? The unforgiving nature of Americans is why a supposedly modern nation like yours continues to perpetuate barbarities like the death penalty.

F*cking A, man. For once we agree. Bolt is most likely doped to the gills as well, also the british media and public just loooves the cheating Farah but do nothing but praise him, then they boo at Gatlin? Classless and ridiculous.

I agree here. I felt sorry for Gatlin being booed on the podium. He did his time and is now subject to level or highly likely more testing than everyone else. If someone commits a crime and goes to prison for a stint, should this mean that they never get a second chance and are rejected infinitely by society?

jasonkiddnba wrote:

I agree.

F--- the London crowd for boo-ing Gatlin.

Bolt has been juiced up to his eyeballs since 2008 and he gets cheers, but Gatlin who paid the price for juicing gets boos?

F--- that London crowd. Their own Mo Farah has been on that shady NOP and juicing for years and their own Seb Coe juiced himself to 4 Olympic Medals back in the 1980's and is now the IAAF president!

F--- that London crowd. What a bunch of a-holes. British people generally are.

You are assuming the people turning up to the stadium are educated on the intricacies of it all, they aren't. None of them will understand Gatlin's adhd and his first ban. So who is to blame, well it's the media and that includes you Letsrun.

They just interviewed Gatlin live on NBC. He was gracious and well spoken, as he always seems to be. They asked him directly about the booing and he mostly brushed it off, saying he expected it, but conceded that it helped motivate him in the final.

I'm guessing/hoping Bolt will be back.

What's hard to understand is why we're back to 1993 times! In 2015 everyone (well Gatlin at least except at the Worlds) and their dog seemed to be able to run 9.75, what happened since?

Gathernomoss wrote:

I'm guessing/hoping Bolt will be back.

What's hard to understand is why we're back to 1993 times! In 2015 everyone (well Gatlin at least except at the Worlds) and their dog seemed to be able to run 9.75, what happened since?

There was a -0.8 head wind in the final which explains it a bit but not completely.

Pondo wrote:

Checkered past of doping. Long suspension. Keeps grinding for another decade anyway. Gets the title back at age 35. Incredible.

Damn right!

Well, El Keniano can comfort himself with the fact that the Kenyans and Ethiopians are likely even dirtier than the sprinters right now, and generally get away with it due to the same politics that rule the sport, the politics being rooted in things outside the sport itself.

LOL

Cynical watcher wrote:

Gathernomoss wrote:

I'm guessing/hoping Bolt will be back.

What's hard to understand is why we're back to 1993 times! In 2015 everyone (well Gatlin at least except at the Worlds) and their dog seemed to be able to run 9.75, what happened since?

There was a -0.8 head wind in the final which explains it a bit but not completely.

I agree that the times were slow, but: it's London (in summer, but still not the tropical heat a sprinter thrives on), second race on the day (no easy task, but that's how global champs are usually scheduled, so not much of an excuse when comparing past years), track was pretty wet early in the day (if anyone remembers last year's thread on the slow 200 final, you'll know that track sogginess has a big effect on sprint times), and of course the -0.8 wind. I'd easily give the race a 0.10 handicap, maybe a little more, but no more than two tenths.

Wasn't the final only like 2 hours after semis too? I never really understood that kind of spacing for an elite sprinting event.

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Icarus. wrote:

Bolt flew too close to the sun.

Does Bolt lose sponsorship dollars for this loss? It's always better to go out on top. It's like when Brett Favre went for another season, right? Favre definitely damaged his market value, but did Bolt?

Bolt wanted to pack it after Rio. He was likely paid well to give it a go this year.

Will point you in the right direction but won't do your homework for you:

Look up who controls IAAF.

Look up who controls WADA.

Look up who has the broadcasting rights to the Diamond League meets.

Your question will then be answered.

Yes, they have to share some of it with Nike. Nike doesn't control it. Nike doesn't care about T&F much since there isn't much revenue in it. Uncle Phil cares about T&F and he still pulls a lot of the strings at Nike.

Beaten by a drug cheat.

snowflake runner wrote:

The main reason why bolt lost, is due to the fact he decided to not take his "special sauce",he honestly believed he didn't need his "special sauce". Well now he learnt you can't win without taking this "special sauce" and it seems like it would be his last lesson.

So maybe Doc Hans decided to withhold the special sauce?...a lot of guessing. I think Lance (and Gatlin) would say, 'special sauce' or not, one still has to bust-it in order to gleam benefit: