The entirety of this news is completely useless without a name. Otherwise it means absolutely nothing.
The entirety of this news is completely useless without a name. Otherwise it means absolutely nothing.
Having watched it all in English from Mr. Obvious' link, I think the most interesting point made in the documentary is that coaches, managers, trainers, and other support staff are willing to lie to their athletes and tell them that they are taking vitamins when in fact it's doping materials.
It appears that there are many accidental doping cases from lying managers. This is the same as Tyson Gay "putting his trust in someone and being let down." It's also similar to Ajee Wilson eating tainted beef, in that both would be unintentional doping from the athlete's point of reference. Western athletes are caught up in this mess, and given leniency. African athletes are not. We are conditioned to think that a westerner just made a mistake, but that any African who fails a drug test was doing it intentionally. This documentary shows that we need to change that mindset, and look at each case individually, and bust the supply chain in an athlete's management.
Lastly, I want to defend Kenenisa Bekele. For anyone who thinks Bekele doped intentionally or unintentionally, I'd like to point out that Jos Hermens has said that "Bekele is a very natural runner...he doesn't even take vitamins/supplements." Maybe Bekele knows they can be tainted. Maybe he just wants to be as natural as possible. Either way, regardless of how dirty Jos Hermens might be, he doesn't seem to lie about his athletes. Jos even mentioned the names of doctors, who were consulted for another athlete, in an interview referenced by this ARD documentary. If you can accept that as a fact, then you have to accept his quote about Kenenisa as a fact. Kenenisa is clean.
trails for life wrote:
Lastly, I want to defend Kenenisa Bekele. For anyone who thinks Bekele doped intentionally or unintentionally, I'd like to point out that Jos Hermens has said that "Bekele is a very natural runner...he doesn't even take vitamins/supplements." Maybe Bekele knows they can be tainted. Maybe he just wants to be as natural as possible. Either way, regardless of how dirty Jos Hermens might be, he doesn't seem to lie about his athletes. Jos even mentioned the names of doctors, who were consulted for another athlete, in an interview referenced by this ARD documentary. If you can accept that as a fact, then you have to accept his quote about Kenenisa as a fact. Kenenisa is clean.
Thats pretty naive. Lots of dopers in different sports spent years of formal denials or denials from their coaches. The rumors about Bekele and the Eth track culture started a decade ago. Maybe he is clean *now* but during this track days a lot of his performances were pretty suspicious. I would not bet my mortgage that Bekele is clean put it that way. Is he is a sensational athlete regardless yes, but Im not convinced he has always been clean.
trails for life wrote:
Either way, regardless of how dirty Jos Hermens might be, he doesn't seem to lie about his athletes.
That is a gem of a sentence.
Non believer wrote:
-the claim of taking HGH/Epo until one week before the test. OK, maybe they don't get tested in Ethiopia, but I thought at the marathon majors, at least the winners get tested? And how can one pass such a test if he/she has been doping a week before the race? And I thought most doping was done during early training phase to recover faster from workout and push yourself to the limit, not so close to race day...
Tyler Hamilton's book came out what, 5 years ago? They were taking EPO in a way that was out of their system by 6am if they injected at 10pm. Small doses taken in a specific way every day were impossible to detect.
What I don't know is whether biological passport has made them easier to detect (probably not if used year round) or if the tolerances on the test have gotten better.
way worse than the russians wrote:
All the Africans are doping you pathetic white cucks. Wake the f*ck up.
Their agents/coaches supply them with it and even if they are just a decent runner they still make a ridiculous amount of money compared to what they make in Africa. All of them cheats, the Bekeles, the Dibabas, etc. etc. etc. etc.
Wake up! Their coaches get coach with HUNDREDS of syringes of Epo with the athletes there in the same hotel/training camp, and NOTHING is done. Sickening how much the IOC and other organizations cuck to them so they dont appear RACIST.... They even let Africans openly cheat because that isn't as bad in their mind as someone calling them RACIST. This has to stop!
I can't think of many ways to stop it but here are a few reasonable courses of action:
1. Make the sport strictly amateur again - remove all prize money and appearance money from races. I think this would basically eliminate the doping issue from Africa and these cockroach coaches and agents would have find another way earn their a living. The sport would get back to its roots.
However it may be while before this happens but these are other things that we as runners can personally try to do:
2. As the sport continues in its current corrupt format, stop following it in ways that give it money. Stop watching championships on TV, stop buying magazines that give coverage to major events. The media coverage of the sport effectively draws in sponsorship money. Tell other people do the same, if they laugh explain to them how they are supporting a system that is just organized crime. Maybe they will think again. If the coverage of the sport plummets the sponsorship money will diminish and the sport will have to change its ways.
3. In contrast, give maximum attention to media coverage of drugs busts, Seppelt documentaries etc. This will encourage more drugs busts to take place. This website is quite good at covering drugs bust busts and this is now the main reason I read these boards.
3. Do not enter any races which invite doping African athletes to run - you are giving part of you entry fee (which the African runners probably do not pay any way) to the race organizers who then give prize money to the dopers. Tell you friends to do the same. Write letters to the race organizers telling them why you are not taking part in their race. The message will hopefully get around and race organizers will take notice.
4. Stop buying running shoes from companies that sponsor doping athletes. Write to the company and tell them why you are no longer buying their shoes. Encourage other runners to do the same.
"Make the sport strictly amateur again - remove all prize money and appearance money from races"There's no prize money at the Olympics....those are "amateur."
You heard it here, folks. The way to stop doping in track is to ELIMINATE track as a sport. Genius!
You can't say he's not right. There will ALWAYS be doping in track ... and cycling, and swimming and every other competitive athletic endeavour.
El Keniano wrote:
You can't say he's not right. There will ALWAYS be doping in track ... and cycling, and swimming and every other competitive athletic endeavour.
Taking out the money won't take out the dope. It will definitely change who competes, but as long as there are races people will cheat to win them.
Duisenberg wrote:
Subway Surfers Addiction wrote:Did Geb deny knowing this doctor?In an interview with Geb they asked him, if he knew Heinrich. We don't know what his answer was, because Geb asked them not to publish that part of the interview.
He later sent them a written statement categorically denying any involvement with Heinrich or the clinic in Freiburg.
Just on German tv. The university clinic in Freiburg gave an official statement - Gebrselassie was there, they have laboratory data from him.
The data is inconspicuous, but the question remains - why did he lie?
Just on German tv. The university clinic in Freiburg gave an official statement - Gebrselassie was there, they have laboratory data from him.
The data is inconspicuous, but the question remains - why did he lie?
Maybe because he is cheater, doper and now running Ethiopian federation?