Down goes Bekele

The athlete didn't know she was on camera. Seppelt's source is friends with the athlete in question. So they wired him up, gave him a hidden camera and had him talk doping with the athlete and that's where she admitted to taking EPO and HGH

The athlete didn't know she was on camera. Seppelt's source is friends with the athlete in question. So they wired him up, gave him a hidden camera and had him talk doping with the athlete and that's where she admitted to taking EPO and HGH

Still, I don't believe anyone just telling a "friend" such a big secret that can compromise their career/livelihood, reputation, etc.... but maybe I am wrong..

Fair enough.

It would help Seppelts credibility, if he realeased the unblurred footage. His claim, that they can't do that without compromising his source seems dubious. The source is already compromised, because the athlete in question now knows, that she was filmed.

zxcvzxcv wrote:

Now, watching that segment again, where they have the female voice-over, while they use the word 'sieger', male winner, not 'siegerin', female winner, the announcer uses the female pronoun 'sie', she, to refer to her. Indeed, I heard it again, "sie hat sogar schon den Berlin Marathon gewonnen." So, that was a female. Also, the person in the hoodie using the cell phone has long fingernails. (She says used human growth hormone and EPO, stopping just a week before the race and passing the tests). So, at least in that scene, it seems to be a woman, not nearly as exciting.

They always talk about a "person", so "sie hat sogar schon den Berlin Marathon gewonnen" is refering to this person (=sie), but doesn't indicate if the person is male or female.

Duisenberg wrote:

Fair enough.

It would help Seppelts credibility, if he realeased the unblurred footage. His claim, that they can't do that without compromising his source seems dubious. The source is already compromised, because the athlete in question now knows, that she was filmed.

So I understood about 50-60% of that. So there is a dodgy German agent/runner/ex runner that uses athletes as slaves (???), they then show that Turkey is dodgy (no surprises there). They say that Kenyan Athletics takes bribes (no surprises there). He talked to Ethiopian woman who ran for Azerbaijan, did she get screwed or did she refuse to dope? He talked to Coe but strangely this point lost me, what was he yabbering on about?

He also talked to Geb while in Ethiopia, who ensured him that they do drug testing in Ethiopia, yet they have a billboard at the track in Ethiopia saying that you can win without doping, why they would need such a sign is very suspicious (considering the athletes shown are likely dopers). He then checks the anti-doping room and no testing was being carried out, which is how you have (alleged teenagers) running 12:56 for 5k. He then tries to show that Hermans is dodgy (no surprises in this) but shows a link between a dodgy TdF doctor, Hermans and Geb and I think he asks why they intermingling. Did Geb deny knowing this doctor? As for the Berlin Marathon winner it is rather vague but epo and hgh is nearly an old fashioned cocktail (probably microdosed).

From what I gather this is not clear cut but he does shine a spotlight on Ethiopia which has been ignored for far too long.

Subway Surfers Addiction wrote:Did Geb deny knowing this doctor?

There is an article on the IAAF website where Jos Hermens states, that Lothar Heinrich treated Gebrselassie.

In an interview with Geb they asked him, if he knew Heinrich. We don't know what his answer was, because Geb asked them not to publish that part of the interview.

He later sent them a written statement categorically denying any involvement with Heinrich or the clinic in Freiburg.

Gotta bee wrote:

Weakest proof ever lol plus it's a woman.? Do better....

Firstly, the use of "Person" in German does not reveal the subject's gender, and in this case (where the person is known), the use of these constructions in German makes it clear that the gender is not being revealed on purpose. You may quote sentences out of context, but you can end the speculation here: nothing that is said in the documentary gives away the Berlin marathon winner's gender.

I believe Hajo Seppelt's track record is pretty impeccable. Among other things, he was the first to reveal the Russian doping scandal (together with the Stepanovas), and he was among the first to report widespread doping / non-existant testing in Kenya, which first lead to feigned surprise and outrage, but ultimately the establishment of at least rudimentary out-of-competition testing there. You can be pretty sure that these allegations are well founded, and that he has vetted more evidence than he can reveal here, most likely because of requests by his sources.

The message is not that one particular athlete has been doping. The message is that doping is still part of the sport at the top level and that athletes are getting away with it.

You guys are all naive and live under a rock with your eyes closed if you think that any of the top performances coming out of East Africa are "clean".

- about the agent:

- the ethopian women basically got wrong promises, so i.e. they said she would get $1000 per month, but she only got $300 etc.

- the part with Coe was about why IAAF didn't react to all of those nationality exchanges for a long time, Coe answers the problem might have been a bit complex at first but when there were like 25 applications a day they had to do something

- Seppelt asked Geb about Lothar Heinrich (the german doctor), but Geb later explained he was suprised about those questions concerning a 13 years old topic and therefore doesn't want this part of the interview to be shown. He also says he never consulted Heinrich in Freiburg.

Hermens denies knowing Heinrich, even though he gets mentioned in this article to which also Seppelt refers:

To clarify my statement about this being the "weakest proof ever" was about bekele, there's no evidence here to say this is bekele at all

Now proof that this athlete in question has doped, well they admitted it themselves apparently, no argument there...

Here is 34 minutes of last night's program translated into English. Haven't watched it all myself yet, not sure if this is the complete program or not:

http://www.sportschau.de/doping/video-the-big-money-run---african-athletes-on-sale-100.html

How can we know that the athlete "admitting" doping is actually who he/she says they are? I mean, it could just as easily be a jealous athlete who is 2nd tier, but claims to be a Berlin winner, just to bring down those who are better than him/her.

Yes, they do say "eine Person," but I did not hear that used for each reference. They would come right out and say it was Bekele if it was a male. They know that would be a huge story. The person in the picture is female.

native speakers only wrote:

zxcvzxcv wrote:

Now, watching that segment again, where they have the female voice-over, while they use the word 'sieger', male winner, not 'siegerin', female winner, the announcer uses the female pronoun 'sie', she, to refer to her. Indeed, I heard it again, "sie hat sogar schon den Berlin Marathon gewonnen." So, that was a female. Also, the person in the hoodie using the cell phone has long fingernails. (She says used human growth hormone and EPO, stopping just a week before the race and passing the tests). So, at least in that scene, it seems to be a woman, not nearly as exciting.

They always talk about a "person", so "sie hat sogar schon den Berlin Marathon gewonnen" is refering to this person (=sie), but doesn't indicate if the person is male or female.

"Hermens and Gebrselassie sought out three of the most highly respected sports doctors in the world on Saturday – Dr Andreas Goessete from Switzerland, and Drs Mueller Wohlfahrt and Lothar Heinrich from Germany – all of whom gave optimistic verdicts.

“They told us the damage has not got any worse,” said Hermens. “Haile just needs a break now. He will stay here in Athens during the Games to be treated because all the good people are here.”"

In any case, they use a female voiceover for the Berlin marathon winner (the informant is male).

I listened to the German again and I was incorrect. The reference to sie there does refer to Person, and so does not communicate gender. The excerpt I saw before did not include Person. But I stand on the view that the person must be female because of the unique identification it would be if it were a male and the use of the female voiceover.

All the Africans are doping you pathetic white cucks. Wake the f*ck up.

Their agents/coaches supply them with it and even if they are just a decent runner they still make a ridiculous amount of money compared to what they make in Africa. All of them cheats, the Bekeles, the Dibabas, etc. etc. etc. etc.

Wake up! Their coaches get coach with HUNDREDS of syringes of Epo with the athletes there in the same hotel/training camp, and NOTHING is done. Sickening how much the IOC and other organizations cuck to them so they dont appear RACIST.... They even let Africans openly cheat because that isn't as bad in their mind as someone calling them RACIST. This has to stop!

The question is not whether they (and other top pros) dope, it's whether it matters. On one level, Joe Public will always watch extreme performances in any sport, doped or not - they don't care. Might that inspire some of them to run? Very possibly, and thats good. When it comes to doping, purists (LR et al) gnash their teeth, but the horse has bolted. What's been lost has been the possibility of 'stardom' for a tiny minority. The rest of we 'club runners' can continue to enjoy our addiction. I liked Bren Fosters quote "...if I hadn't been a good runner, I'd have been a bad runner..." Amen, except I was never that good in the first place.

zen master wrote:

You guys are all naive and live under a rock with your eyes closed if you think that any of the top performances coming out of East Africa are "clean".

Naturally. Also, you guys are all naive and live under a rock with your eyes closed if you think that any of the top performances are "clean".