To sum it up, nothing has changed and intersexed athletes will still be able to compete against women...it's telling that none of these hyperandrogenous women have the balls to compete with men. Instead they take the path of least resistance.
http://dailycaller.com/2017/07/03/heres-what-the-2018-olympic-gender-regulations-look-like/
LOL, they've thought they were women all their lives. Why would they want to compete against men? Do other women want to compete against men? Have I missed some big Olympic T&F movement of barring fast women from competing against men?
People who aren't women have no business competing in women's events.
Let's get the Y chromosome high testosterone non women out of the women's events.
markschultz25 wrote:
To sum it up, nothing has changed and intersexed athletes will still be able to compete against women...it's telling that none of these hyperandrogenous women have the balls to compete with men. Instead they take the path of least resistance.
http://dailycaller.com/2017/07/03/heres-what-the-2018-olympic-gender-regulations-look-like/
So Bolt is transgender?
Id imagine for the next olympics it will change. Transgender and acceptance being a hot topic right now they would probably rather appeal to the masses than the few people who actually care about the integrity of the sports. Its stupid but whatever i guess.
I agree ~~ wrote:
People who aren't women have no business competing in women's events.
Let's get the Y chromosome high testosterone non women out of the women's events.
Chromosomes and hormones are crazy complicated; Semenya almost certainly does not have a Y chromosome, but still has unusually high testosterone. Some women (women born with vaginas, not transgender) with very low testosterone actually do have a Y chromosome that was effectively never activated because their bodies can't process testosterone correctly. Women can have XXX chromosomes. There's loads of chromosomal and hormonal abnormalities out there. And if we're gonna say "no Y chromosomes," that means we have to actually test everyone's chromosomes, which is a huge pain. And then when the results come back, we'll still have no basis for banning Semenya or probably anyone else with a potential advantage, because their advantage isn't chromosomal.
If we want to truly level the playing field by banning athletes like Semenya, we'd have to set specific testosterone thresholds. And it's really hard to decide where that threshold should be, because women fast enough to make the Olympics already tend to have slightly higher T than average. As nice as it is to be able to say "women shouldn't compete against non-women," it's not that simple. Sex is not as neat and binary as we'd like it be.
Can someone please tell us what T level Ajee Wilson currently has and her annual data? She has been tested hasn't she? Cos if we are going to have a new class for high T women then YOU HAVE TO REGULARLY TEST ALL OF THEM!
The OP does not have the the "balls" to compete against the top women so he disparages them while he jacks off to posters of Donnie Osmond.
Ururud wrote:
Id imagine for the next olympics it will change. Transgender and acceptance being a hot topic right now they would probably rather appeal to the masses than the few people who actually care about the integrity of the sports. Its stupid but whatever i guess.
I think you are confused about the LGBT stance on this. The people who want "change" want to restrict these "intersex" athletes from competing. The current rules are more accepting and inclusive than any alternative would be.
friendo wrote:
I agree ~~ wrote:People who aren't women have no business competing in women's events.
Let's get the Y chromosome high testosterone non women out of the women's events.
If we want to truly level the playing field by banning athletes like Semenya, we'd have to set specific testosterone thresholds. And it's really hard to decide where that threshold should be, because women fast enough to make the Olympics already tend to have slightly higher T than average. As nice as it is to be able to say "women shouldn't compete against non-women," it's not that simple. Sex is not as neat and binary as we'd like it be.
I believe they have established an upper threshold for T levels in women, as they did in males (which was then challenged in CAS). This was done by sampling hormones levels in professional athletes, and then making the cutoff somewhere around 5 standard deviations above the mean. On paper it makes sense, but I'm sure it's not perfect.
ALL FEMALE COMPETING MEDALLISTS SHOULD BE TESTED FOR INTERNAL TESTICLES. IF YOU HAVE INTERNAL TESTICLES YOU SHOULDN'T BE COMPETING WITH WOMEN-THE LOGIC IS VERY SIMPLE.
There are a few cases I can. The cases being they were both XXY, but genetic males transferring to a female and races on female events is wrong. Even if they hot the T level the muscle build and frame will give them an advantage, because if you do it the other way a female to make. They wouldn't even make it on a high school cross country team.
markschultz25 wrote:
To sum it up, nothing has changed and intersexed athletes will still be able to compete against women...it's telling that none of these hyperandrogenous women have the balls to compete with men. Instead they take the path of least resistance.
http://dailycaller.com/2017/07/03/heres-what-the-2018-olympic-gender-regulations-look-like/
Balls to compete with men...nicely done
NEWSFLASH wrote:
ALL FEMALE COMPETING MEDALLISTS SHOULD BE TESTED FOR INTERNAL TESTICLES. IF YOU HAVE INTERNAL TESTICLES YOU SHOULDN'T BE COMPETING WITH WOMEN-THE LOGIC IS VERY SIMPLE.
This is completely impractical. There is no way they will be conducting MRIs on all of the female competitors or even medalists.
racket wrote:
I believe they have established an upper threshold for T levels in women, as they did in males (which was then challenged in CAS). This was done by sampling hormones levels in professional athletes, and then making the cutoff somewhere around 5 standard deviations above the mean. On paper it makes sense, but I'm sure it's not perfect.
There is no upper threshold for T levels in men. A very high ratio or absolute level may be a trigger for more extensive testing for exogenous T, but as long as there is no exogenous T, there is no limit.
Mr. Obvious wrote:
racket wrote:I believe they have established an upper threshold for T levels in women, as they did in males (which was then challenged in CAS). This was done by sampling hormones levels in professional athletes, and then making the cutoff somewhere around 5 standard deviations above the mean. On paper it makes sense, but I'm sure it's not perfect.
There is no upper threshold for T levels in men. A very high ratio or absolute level may be a trigger for more extensive testing for exogenous T, but as long as there is no exogenous T, there is no limit.
Allow me to rephrase. I believe what they tested was the testosterone to epitestosterone ratios in elite male athletes, and made 4:1 the limit based on the results (4:1 being something like 4 or 5 standard deviations from the mean).
friendo wrote:
I agree ~~ wrote:People who aren't women have no business competing in women's events.
Let's get the Y chromosome high testosterone non women out of the women's events.
Chromosomes and hormones are crazy complicated; Semenya almost certainly does not have a Y chromosome, but still has unusually high testosterone. Some women (women born with vaginas, not transgender) with very low testosterone actually do have a Y chromosome that was effectively never activated because their bodies can't process testosterone correctly. Women can have XXX chromosomes. There's loads of chromosomal and hormonal abnormalities out there. And if we're gonna say "no Y chromosomes," that means we have to actually test everyone's chromosomes, which is a huge pain. And then when the results come back, we'll still have no basis for banning Semenya or probably anyone else with a potential advantage, because op their advantage isn't chromosomal.
If we want to truly level the playing field by banning athletes like Semenya, we'd have to set specific testosterone thresholds. And it's really hard to decide where that threshold should be, because women fast enough to make the Olympics already tend to have slightly higher T than average. As nice as it is to be able to say "women shouldn't compete against non-women," it's not that simple. Sex is not as neat and binary as we'd like it be.
You are confused. Semenya certainly does have a Y chromosome because he has make secondary sexual characteristics and suffered a massive slowing of times when taking drugs to lower T levels. XX women have only ever produced up to 3 mol/l T and the limit was the set at 10 mol/l, so a pair of testes, which only develop as a result of a Y chromosome being present, must be there. We are talking about a slightly T resistant male or a human born with missing body parts and raised as a girl as a result.
Additionally, cases of additions chromosomes are so disabling as to make Olympic activity impossible.
Internal testes testing should be a states matter, not federal. I'm not sure if Semenya will still be competing in 2028.
racket wrote:
Mr. Obvious wrote:There is no upper threshold for T levels in men. A very high ratio or absolute level may be a trigger for more extensive testing for exogenous T, but as long as there is no exogenous T, there is no limit.
Allow me to rephrase. I believe what they tested was the testosterone to epitestosterone ratios in elite male athletes, and made 4:1 the limit based on the results (4:1 being something like 4 or 5 standard deviations from the mean).
An unbalanced ratio of 4:1 or greater triggers a second test using the CIR method to detect exogenous test. The unbalanced ratio itself is not a violation.
The ratio triggers more testing when it occurs in either men or women.
tee hee wrote:
Can someone please tell us what T level Ajee Wilson currently has and her annual data? She has been tested hasn't she? Cos if we are going to have a new class for high T women then YOU HAVE TO REGULARLY TEST ALL OF THEM!
Wilson tests well.........as long as she stays far away from Burger King. Then it all goes sideways.