Heart Rate Training?

TNE wrote:

Why is my heart rate so high? Am I put of shape? was it because I haven't ran in 5 days? Am I working to hard? Should my tempos be 7:47? I'm really confused.

I would assume it's because you are doing the classic mistake of running too hard on easy days.

Kudos to using a heart rate monitor! That is the first step to greatness. Now read up on the MAF methodology, and prepare to reset your heart rate:

Between 156-165 would be a good range for you. But you don't quite know for sure unless you get tested, this is more of a guide. See what your heart rate is clocking at vo2 max and lactate threshold intensities, and you'll know for sure. After 1-2 months of running truly easy your body should reset and your pace will become faster for the 156-165 bpm range.

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Avg HR was 184, max was 198..

Isn't this pretty high?

Also my cadence was 155.... Isn't that pretty low?

A radio-transmitting heart rate monitor was placed on an elite runner at the New York City Marathon about 2005. He ran at 97% for 17 miles, when he faded from the lead.

Also my individually calibrated maximum heart rate is 25 higher than the age formula.

Or if you know how you feel at each speed+distance, improve on that.

TNE wrote:

Bump...

Avg HR was 184, max was 198..

Isn't this pretty high?

Also my cadence was 155.... Isn't that pretty low?

Take the hint, kid. This HR training and website is a bunch of donkey shit and this is a donkey-shit thread you've created about it. Next.

Badthreadpointer_REAL wrote:

TNE wrote:

Bump...

Avg HR was 184, max was 198..

Isn't this pretty high?

Also my cadence was 155.... Isn't that pretty low?

Take the hint, kid. This HR training and website is a bunch of donkey shit and this is a donkey-shit thread you've created about it. Next.

So should I stop running based off of HR and just run based off of feel? a

TNE wrote:

Badthreadpointer_REAL wrote:

Take the hint, kid. This HR training and website is a bunch of donkey shit and this is a donkey-shit thread you've created about it. Next.

So should I stop running based off of HR and just run based off of feel? a

That would be a good start.

All depends on your MHR ! If your MHR is around 200 you should run normal runs at about 150 or lower. Easy .

TNE wrote:

So should I stop running based off of HR and just run based off of feel? a

There are a lot of problems with heart rate training, especially for runners, because we tend to race at very high intensity and short duration as compared to cyclists and triathletes. We also overheat easily.

I typically advise a few use cases for HRM. 1) Total novice who thinks he can only run a mile or two because he's actually flat out. 2) Assessing the stressfullness of a workout after the fact or, relatedly, using it to confirm that you are actually not up to a particular workout yet. If you pull the plug on a workout, it can be nice to have objective confirmation that you were blowing up. 3) Setting a strict speed limit on days that you have decided must be really, really easy. That's different from your "easy days" that are really just every non workout day.

If you feel you must track every day, don't train to HR. Just treat it as one more bit of data in the mix.

Heart rate is higher on your runs in the summer due to more blood going to your skin to help keep you cool. Also, heart rate drifts higher toward the end of runs. Plus, you're young and probably considered 'elite' compared to typical heart rate formulas and estimates, so they don't apply as much to you.

You're right, run according to how you feel.

Heart rate as a means to monitor training is beneficial.

You can also use percentages of your current fitness (not your PRs)

As one poster said, you are likely running too hard on easy days, racing on tempo runs. That allows you to hit faster times, but the heart rate data shows you are also having a higher stress.

do some max heart rate test research, and use your monitor to go establish what your actual max heart rate is. Then spend some time training in the desired zones and see how you progress.

Some people have to learn "they need to slow down in order to eventually speed up."

You yourself said you felt "burnt out" after 2 weeks above 40 miles per week. 40 miles isn't the issue, it is the intensity of those miles.