Korir must be dodgy!!!

They need to institute a policy of a year's worth of testing prior to racing at elite level.

Capt. J. Kirk wrote:

44s for 400m and 1:43.1 for 800m after one year's training. No bloody way is that plausible without help. It is a total joke.

Compare that to an average elite (top 10-15 consistently) that miraculously develops a kick overnight at age 28 (after years of hard training) just by doing push-ups!

It's that easy wrote:

Capt. J. Kirk wrote:

44s for 400m and 1:43.1 for 800m after one year's training. No bloody way is that plausible without help. It is a total joke.

Compare that to an average elite (top 10-15 consistently) that miraculously develops a kick overnight at age 28 (after years of hard training) just by doing push-ups!

It was more than just pushups. They did boxercise too.

Yeah I'm sure he only has done 1 year of training in his life

Capt. J. Kirk wrote:

44s for 400m and 1:43.1 for 800m after one year's training. No bloody way is that plausible without help. It is a total joke.

He did run 1:46.9 last year, so it's not as if this was his first year of training.

He was born in June 1995 according to the IAAF web site, so he's one year older than Knight for example. He is therefore the same age as most seniors (or an old junior). So it's not as if he's young either.

Idontreallyknow wrote:

Yeah I'm sure he only has done 1 year of training in his life

Can somebody list this guy's annual progression?

There's no annual progression. Paul Ereng recruited him in 2016 after a local race in Iten (April). Apparently that was the first serious race of Korir's life. And he ran 1:47 hand timed.

Capt. J. Kirk wrote:44s for 400m and 1:43.1 for 800m after one year's training. No bloody way is that plausible without help. It is a total joke.

the more pertinent point is that this shows what a quality raw Kenyan talent can do when given western coaching which most significantly includes proper weight-training which according to canova is extinct back home but clearly has benefited Korir hugely

"i been lifting most of the time...

that's why you see i have a lot of strength...

i didn't do that in Kenya as we don't have the machines"

it is no big secret : a holistic approach is needed to training meaning huge amount of weights for 100 - 10k & you coud include the M - all distances need serious weight-training & i can even offer some basic physics to back that up if anyone was interested

Kenyan training due to lack of weights equipment & ignorance of western ideas of strength development which Ereng in texas has obviously embraced but the domestic coaches back home in Kenya haven't, is primitive

Kenya is a 3rd world country & it's training is 3rd world because of lack of equipment/mentality

I accept you offer of basic physics to back it off - just don't talk about string theory, ok?

it's about stride length

now, this isn't just about leg length but obviously that does set an initial baseline - taller the guy, longer the stride

however, stride length isn't technically an anatomical measurement, it's a trajectory like those ole cannonball problems in

HS physics - projectile motion

the stride is the projectile motion of the guy or trajectory

now say, a 45.00 has 200cm stride & done no weights

if he does lot of weights, his leg length obviously stays same but his "muzzle velocity" increases from all that leg pressing

( assuming mass doesn't beef up too much - you can weight-train to increase strength without bulking up - otherwise weightlifters/powerlifters coudn't lift heavier weights & stay in same weight category ! )

he can push off the ground more powerfully & increases his trajectory

it may increase by say 2.5 - 5.0cm

this -> assuming his aerobic/anaerobic ability remains constant which shoud be possible for maturing/developing guy, his theoretical 45.00 quickens to

- 45.00 * ( 200 / 202.5 ) = 44.44 !!

- 45.00 * ( 200 / 205.0 ) = 43.90 !!!

these are rough'n'ready figures to demonstrate a principle

to back it up:)

then you are assuming the same frequency (measured in Hz).

shoudn't be a problem for a maturing/developing guy

Or a cheater.

Weights just bulk you up and slow you down, Calculo. Too many weights just make you stiffer and ruin your range of motion. The next day you are always sore unless you are on a strength boosting/recovery aiding PED.

I can't believe it's possible, but you are more clueless than calculo...

Do any of you know-it-alls actually train in real life??

You've certainly never lifted weights. Makes you sore haha. Maybe if you've never done them before!

IItttffgfgfyyt wrote:

Capt. J. Kirk wrote:

44s for 400m and 1:43.1 for 800m after one year's training. No bloody way is that plausible without help. It is a total joke.

He did run 1:46.9 last year, so it's not as if this was his first year of training.

He was born in June 1995 according to the IAAF web site, so he's one year older than Knight for example. He is therefore the same age as most seniors (or an old junior). So it's not as if he's young either.

Furthermore, 1:43.10 is excellent, but not out of this world. It only ranks him 44th all time, behind Murphy, Symmonds...

The 800m is in a down year (at this point), which explains why he is the WL right now.

With his speed, form... it is difficult to believe that he will not be a sub 1:42 guy in the next 12 months.

calculo wrote:

he can push off the ground more powerfully & increases his trajectory

it may increase by say 2.5 - 5.0cm

this -> assuming his aerobic/anaerobic ability remains constant which shoud be possible for maturing/developing guy, his theoretical 45.00 quickens to

- 45.00 * ( 200 / 202.5 ) = 44.44 !!

- 45.00 * ( 200 / 205.0 ) = 43.90 !!!

these are rough'n'ready figures to demonstrate a principle

But if we assume his aerobic/anaerobic ability remains constant, then 43.90 pace is 45/43.90 = 102.5% of his 400m speed. So he won't be able to maintain for 400m, rather 1/1.025 * 400 = 390.24 meters. So he'd completely tie up on the homestretch. Same logic applies for 800m.

Did I make an error in my calculations?

disgraceful_admin wrote:

calculo wrote:

he can push off the ground more powerfully & increases his trajectory

it may increase by say 2.5 - 5.0cm

this -> assuming his aerobic/anaerobic ability remains constant which shoud be possible for maturing/developing guy, his theoretical 45.00 quickens to

- 45.00 * ( 200 / 202.5 ) = 44.44 !!

- 45.00 * ( 200 / 205.0 ) = 43.90 !!!

these are rough'n'ready figures to demonstrate a principle

But if we assume his aerobic/anaerobic ability remains constant, then 43.90 pace is 45/43.90 = 102.5% of his 400m speed. So he won't be able to maintain for 400m, rather 1/1.025 * 400 = 390.24 meters. So he'd completely tie up on the homestretch. Same logic applies for 800m.

Did I make an error in my calculations?

Probably the fact that he's moving faster.

800ftw. wrote:

disgraceful_admin wrote:

But if we assume his aerobic/anaerobic ability remains constant, then 43.90 pace is 45/43.90 = 102.5% of his 400m speed. So he won't be able to maintain for 400m, rather 1/1.025 * 400 = 390.24 meters. So he'd completely tie up on the homestretch. Same logic applies for 800m.

Did I make an error in my calculations?

Probably the fact that he's moving faster.

He's moving faster, but we assumed "constant aerobic/anaerobic ability". Which means he's going to tire out faster at 43.90 pace than 45 pace.