Wise guy Asbel Kiprop Strikes Again

Kiprop strikes again.

And I have no right to take my place in the human race.

OfficialRCS wrote:

This is so idiotic.

He ran 1:44 and 3:31 just weeks after his 19th birthday. He ran 3:35 at 18y2m, placing 4th in the world championship final. He won world cross U20, at 17.

Since you say he wouldn't have 3:34 ability without "the sauce" (LOL), and he ran 3:35 at 18, is it your assertion that he been "on the sauce" the year/years before that?

That is an interesting idea that agents were roaming Kiprop's hometown (can you name it?) in 2006-2007, looking for mediocre teenagers to "sauce."

You need help.

he was lot better than 1'44/3'31 at 19y

he ran world-19y-age record at 1'43.17

incredible race !!!

Asbel runs ~ 7.25m extra on bends -> route-1 800 of ~

1'42.21 !!!

also

1) slight uneven splits but not far off 2s +ve splits when accounting for extra run on both laps & his route-1 1st lap was ~ 50-low, so he can go out fast when required, but it was clearly tactical run for him shadowing kaki, similar to cram shadowing cruz in '85

2) suddenly boxed in on final backstretch by the Big-Man which prevented him kicking with kaki ( who shot off like a bullet ! ) & had to wait to homestretch & nearly caught kaki

the above cost a good few tenths

i woud reckon, in an ideal route-1 race that day off 2s +ve splits he couda gone

~ 1'41.7 / 1'41.8

even more impressive, he & kaki both thrashed the Big-Man in that race & he finished off year with 1'42.01 !!!

Asbel at 19y had 1'41-high ability & he was genuine 19y or do posters think he was 29y in '09 & is currently 37y ?!

calculo wrote:

he was lot better than 1'44/3'31 at 19y

he ran world-19y-age record at 1'43.17

incredible race !!!

Asbel runs ~ 7.25m extra on bends -> route-1 800 of ~

1'42.21 !!!

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To quote John McEnroe, "You cannot be serious."

He either ran in lane-one the entire race or briefly tip-toed in lane two for mere seconds except for the finishing straight which added virtually nothing to his total distance. Kiprop looks to have run a very efficient and technically sound race for someone so young. 0.2s was probably the most he could have taken off that time.

An Extra Litre of Blood wrote:

calculo wrote:

he was lot better than 1'44/3'31 at 19y

he ran world-19y-age record at 1'43.17

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6586XtsCZck

incredible race !!!

Asbel runs ~ 7.25m extra on bends -> route-1 800 of ~

1'42.21 !!!

To quote John McEnroe, "You cannot be serious."

He either ran in lane-one the entire race or briefly tip-toed in lane two for mere seconds except for the finishing straight which added virtually nothing to his total distance. Kiprop looks to have run a very efficient and technically sound race for someone so young. 0.2s was probably the most he could have taken off that time.[/quote]

You're correct that Venty is showing customary generosity towards Kenyans. You don't see him running all the bends in their entirety as the camera pans to other events, and he only runs parts of bends wide. It looked about 5m extra, which would have made it worth closer to 1:42.5.

He isn't boxed on last backstraight and benefits from drafting at a stage when athletes are generally slowing down, so he gets no extra tenths taken off there.

No one is suggesting he is 29 then either, but it is possible even likely, that he was older than 19. Maybe 21 or 22. Regardless, no one is in any position to defend any Kenyan from age cheating unless they can post a copy of their birth certificate. Far too many cases of age cheating.

An Extra Litre of Blood wrote:To quote John McEnroe, "You cannot be serious."

i'm always 100% serious

learn to watch/analyse properly

He either ran in lane-one the entire race or briefly tip-toed in lane two for mere seconds except for the finishing straight which added virtually nothing to his total distance

is this a joke ???

do you have any idea about geometry ???

if a guy ran wide in lane 1 for whole 3 bends, that adds on ~ 2.5 * 3 = 7.5m extra !!!

you do not have to be running in lane 2 to run extra

Kiprop looks to have run a very efficient and technically sound race for someone so young. 0.2s was probably the most he could have taken off that time

is this a joke ???

try more like 1s for extra distance + few more tenths for non-2s +ve splits + boxed in in last back-stretch preventing him launching his sprint as same time as kaki

he had an awesome sprint to unleash seeing how much he ate up on kaki on homestretch & he destroyed the Big-Man with that sprint !!!

no

name is calculo & i am never generous

analyse better

he is running wide before camera moves away briefly & running wide again when it moves back

to suggest he pulled in suddenly then pulled out again during that brief absence means extra distance run from change in trajectory & also loss of momentum

learn geometry/physics

is this a joke ???

- 2nd bend is run entirely outter part of lane & at 38.1s his L foot is on lane line !!!

that is easily 2.5m extra there

- 3rd bend is entered wide & still running wide when camera returns

to believe he zig-zaged in/out during those brief seconds only adds extra trajectory + loss of momentum

again ~ 2.5m extra run there

- 3rd bend he is running wider & wider & running briefly in lane 2 towards the end !!!

he even gets pushed wider in the stretch & running in lane 3 at the finish !!!

that is easily ~ 2.25m

total of

7.25m

no

~ 1'42.2

this run has shocked you & from now one it will be always stated that Asbel at 19y had 1'42-low ability just from extra distance run without consideration of non-ideal splits & being boxed in

that ->

~ 1'41.7 / 1'41.8

at 19y !!!

Asbel was bona-fide contenda to break 800WR in '09 onwards & perhaps even as early as '09 as doha was very early season & 1st serious 800 of year for him

to detriment of athletics history he didn't take 800 seriously

is this a joke ???

learn to watch

from being 2nd behind kaki, he suddenly gets passed by Big-Man & another guy, blocking his path & unable to launch his sprint to match kaki's

Asbel showed incredible sprint which he coudn't launch until homestretch instead of going with kaki on backstretch

similar lament as ovett had in euro-'78 when he cursed that he sat on coe too long & shoud have kicked on backstretch & not waited until homestretch

is this a joke ???

he gets virtually 0 drafting from 200 - 400 as running wide thru-out !!!

he never gets paid back 200m of drafting in 2nd lap

i wasn't even generous enough to offer him drafting, but he is owed upto 2 tenths in race, which absolutely solidifies

~ 1'41.7 / 1'41.8

& perhaps quicker with a 6'5 pacer for him to bell only

no

he gets coupla tenths for lack of drafting

is this a joke ???

he has listed 30th june '89 birthday not some 1st january birthday which is usually an unknown birthdate & inevitably listed as start of year

he rose to world prominence just 2y before

if he was 19/20y in '07 why didn't he run on circuit in '06 or even '05 when he couda made X100 more $$$ than buffalo-herding back in Kenya ???!!!

bottom line :

as a pup, of 19y, he showed 800 WR threatening ability but not interested much in secondary event & much more interested in glory event of 1500