Caster Semenya Runs..... 51.53

Most 1:59 kids can run sub-52.

800ftw. wrote:High T or not, she isn't a 400m runner. 51.5 is not bad at all.

eh ??

she has a 50.40pb run in last race of a long tiring season

how does 50.40pb NOT make you a 400 runner ???

if she has 50.40pb then how on earth is 51.5 "not bad at all" ???

Macdaddy wrote:

ghjbcdeyhbvxs wrote:

Then you're not correct..overwhelming majority of HS kids running 1:55 can go at least 52.0 or quicker

Dealt with this guy before... puts "800" in his name and think so he's the father of all 800 related things.

Couldn't agree with you more. It would be a rarity to find a 1:55 HS kid who couldn't go sub 52.

unregistered spineless chicken shit, get a bold name then talk.

An open sub 52 threatens to make the final and score points at all but the most competitive state meets. A coach with a sub 52 runner who wastes the guy on 800 when he can only run 1:55 (let alone 1:57) is an idiot. Sprinters can run more events and get more points.

Most good 800 runners can't go more than 2.2 times as fast as their PR over open 400. For a 1:45 runner that's about 47.7. Many such as Symmonds much slower still. That guff about "aerobic development" is mystical nonsense, high schoolers are at no disadvantage besides lack of event-specific training. There are undoubtedly many 1:55 runners from a distance background who can't even get below 53; and don't go claiming there aren't as if you know them all.

???? 6th place at the WI Division I state meet was 49.2 this year and I wouldn't call WI a very competitive state meet. And a 52 was 22nd out of 23 runners in the prelims.

sprinters are by far the best talent pool in HS & elite level

iaaf points gives ~ 1'55.00 as ~ 49.49

these vastly over-inflate the 400, trying to make 1'55.00 look respectable

mathematically, i get

1'42.00 = 3'28.25 = 44.00 = 19.75 = 9.875

which -> 1'55.00 is more like = 50.50 !!!

i'm more inclined to believe a HS 1'55.0 guy will likely need lot quicker than 50.50 to run 1'55.00 as hasn't got the years of endurance in his legs

more like 49+ speed to run 1'55.0

how can they at 16/17y have had enough years of accumulated 30 - 50 mpw to establish their endurance ?

In weak or even average track states sure, but in the stronger states (CA, TX, IL, OH, FL) the guys running 23.5/51.5 often have a greater potential to score if they move up versus if they try and race the sprints. Also keep in mind that states where a 51.xx is scoring at the state level are the states where 1:55 (or hell, 1:57) is often good enough to win.

Even pretty good high school 800 runners (let's say sub 2:00 and faster) have significantly fewer miles logged, years training, etc. than collegiate and adult runners. There's nothing mythical about aerobic development; there's a reason why you'll see high school boys every year running 52/2:00/4:45 alongside XC times north of 17 or 18 minutes. Bringing up Symmonds hurts your case; the guy improved from a 1:48 to a 1:42 over the course of his career by further developing the aerobic side (1500 from 3:45 --> 3:34 while his 400 barely budged).

Definitely true in the collegiate and adult ranks, but very few at a high school level. For reference, I went through the 20 athletes who ran 1:54.92 - 1:55.0 this past outdoor season). 16 of them had recorded 400 times. All 16 of them had run sub 53. You can probably extend it to the 30 athletes closest to 1:55 and get a pretty similar distribution.

Again, there are certainly athletes out there who can go 1:55 without running sub 53--you see them all the time at the collegiate level. But a high schooler running 1:55 without sub-53 speed is extremely rare, and those are often the kids you see putting up monstrous performances in the 32 and 5k, placing extremely well at national XC meets, and often going on to perform well in the 5k and 10k in college.

Moo Goo wrote:

She was told to hold back. This is just a sham to show us she is not that masculine.

And how do you know this and be specific. Who told you that was the plan, well?

i'm more inclined to believe a HS 1'55.0 guy will likely need lot quicker than 50.50 to run 1'55.00 as hasn't got the years of endurance in his legs

more like 49+ speed to run 1'55.0

how can they at 16/17y have had enough years of accumulated 30 - 50 mpw to establish their endurance ?

Bullshit, go and do some training and racing yourself for once. Deal with real athletes.

There are no 1:55 kids running sub 50 for 400m that are actually middle distance oriented

How many went sub 50 out of curiosity?

I ran 1:54 with a 400 pb of 52.1 age 16. OK, I was more a 1500 runner.

But even so Semenya's time suggests she should be able to coast through 400 in 57 and add a second lap not significantly slower. If, as several people have suggested, her 400 effort wasn't absolutely eyeballs out this scenario becomes even more possible.

Interestingly, my comment in the other thread, where I stated, that Caster might be a man, but definetely not stupid, and gonna sandbag the race got deleted.

So again, just as predicted: this race was a show, that she is "beatable" and "can" lose against other women. The stronger the pressure from IAAF and the fans, the slower she will go to avoid hormonal treatments.

You're a sorry excuse for a track and field fan if you think for one fooking second that a 52... a sub 52(51.9) would make a final at a state track meet. Yeah if you're talking about the smaller class schools but fook they don't break 5 minutes for 1600 either.

800ftw. wrote:

How many went sub 50 out of curiosity?

Just one of the 20. Another three had early season 50.xx marks and no recorded 400s past late March/early April. Most of the kids were in the mid 51.xx range (albeit usually off a handful of early season 400s). 51.5/1:55/4:20 seemed like a pretty common line.

800ftw. wrote:

ghjbcdeyhbvxs wrote:

Then you're not correct..overwhelming majority of HS kids running 1:55 can go at least 52.0 or quicker

You said 1:57 high school boys. Not in the open 400 they can't. Maybe relay.

I reckon 1:55 is equal to about 51 flat.

whoooo wrote:

I reckon 1:55 is equal to about 51 flat.

I would agree that most 1:55 high schoolers are capable of around 51 in the quarter.

They're not equivalent performances at all at a high school level though; 1:55 is dramatically stronger.

For reference, last season 1:55.00 puts athletes at 359/83812 or the top 0.43% of US high school 800 runners.

A 51.00 puts athletes at 3279/85620 or the top 3.83% of last season's high school quartermilers.

Bad Wigins wrote:

An open sub 52 threatens to make the final and score points at all but the most competitive state meets. A coach with a sub 52 runner who wastes the guy on 800 when he can only run 1:55 (let alone 1:57) is an idiot. Sprinters can run more events and get more points.

lmao.

In my average track state 1 out of about 32 in the top 2 classifications did not break 52 at the state meet this year.

Sdfsdfsdfsdfsdfsdf wrote:

NOP Skeptic wrote:

51.53 aint bad at all. Think about how many 1:55 HS Boys can't break 52 in the open 400m.

Very few. This is especially true when you select high school boys, since most high schoolers haven't come close to fully developing their aerobic ability yet, but probably have just about as much speed as they ever will.

Shoot, I would say the typical 1:57 high school boy is able to break 52 in an open 400.

Did you see my whole post? She runs a 4:01 1500m which is about a 4:20 mile. Those same 1:55-1:57 guys you are talking about that can break 52 in the open are clearly 400/800 guys as there is already a comparative drop off from 400 to 800. Those same guys you are talking about, or at least most of them, can't run a 4:20 mile, Semenya can. Context.

As I read the rest of the comments on this thread, I will say it again. Semenya's 400 (50.4) and 1500 (4:01) IAAF scores are pretty much equivalent. She is a balanced 400/800/1500 runner.

When I said HS boys running 1:55 not being able to break 52, I was mainly referring to the balanced 4/8/Mile runners. If we are directed this subject towards 400/800 runners in HS I'm sure there's plenty of guys running 1:55 and 49-51 in the open.

But take the more aerobic guys who run 1:55 and a 4:20 mile, most of them can't break 52 in the open 400. Likewise if someone is running 49-51 and their 800 is only 1:55, I wouldn't be surprised to hear they can't break 4:20 in the mile.

NOP Skeptic wrote:

She ran this race for publicity, we all knew she wasn't going to beat Miller

Don't forget she has run 4:01 1500m which is equivalent to her 400m PR (50.X) PER IAAF tables. She's not a full 400/800 runner, she has strength.

51.53 aint bad at all. Think about how many 1:55 HS Boys can't break 52 in the open 400m.

She will be ready when it counts at Worlds, in her event, THE 800 METERS.

As long as she's entered in the men's 800, I'm fine with it. Enough of this politically correct, sensitivity garbage. Obviously she has more man parts than girl parts. Obviously the man parts give her a competitive edge. Enter her in the correct race. I expect to see women in the women's race, not a dude who wins on a technicality.