Victor Conte: Circumventing testing easy as taking candy from a baby

Let's pls not turn this into a post about Conte's sordid past. We all know already... more curious about current practices for avoiding WADA.

Thanks all!

Two starter research papers on the clause.

https://philpapers.org/rec/MACAPR

http://scholarship.law.marquette.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1017&context=sportslaw

It is for example impossible to catch people using testosterone, if they know what they are doing.

hhgg wrote:

It is for example impossible to catch people using testosterone, if they know what they are doing.

Like Semenya?

Conte is a clown whose life's purpose is to get attention. If it's like taking candy from a baby why was his operation the only one that went down?

Failing to show up for WADA test 3x equates to a dope violation (ie. Andre Russell), but better for a dirty athlete to skip 3 tests than to actually test positive. Very easy to exploit loopholes in this system!

http://www.espncricinfo.com/westindies/content/story/1080431.html

Failing to show up for WADA test 3x equates to a dope violation (ie. Andre Russell), but better for a dirty athlete to skip 3 tests than to actually test positive. Very easy to exploit loopholes in this system!

http://www.espncricinfo.com/westindies/content/story/1mo080431.html

time will tell wrote:

Conte is a clown whose life's purpose is to get attention. If it's like taking candy from a baby why was his operation the only one that went down?

It wasn't because failed drug tests.

Good question! Few go down b/c to effectively do so requires federal government intervention! (Novitzky, IRS and FDA agent who took down Lance and Barry)

See the Rogan podcast linked in the article below where he interviews Novitzky about this process.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/i-team/novitzky-opens-lance-armstrong-barry-bonds-cases-article-1.2333144

time will tell wrote:

Conte is a clown whose life's purpose is to get attention. If it's like taking candy from a baby why was his operation the only one that went down?

His operation was large in scale and ambitious. It made him well known even though he got caught. He has made a lot of money from that publicity and name recognition.

hhgg wrote:

His operation was large in scale and ambitious. It made him well known even though he got caught. He has made a lot of money from that publicity and name recognition.

He is a charlatan who knows nothing about physical training. He bought and paid for a fake University study to hype ZMA, which has since been shown not to work. His dope regimen couldn't even get Marion to improve over her PBs from before she started working with him. He's also an idiot to have let so many stupid untrustworthy people in on his scam and then tainted them online after parting ways until the whole thing came unraveled on an Internet forum. I really feel sorry for people who are dumb enough to buy into his utterly phony image as some kind of guru. He has zero real knowledge.

time will tell wrote:

Conte is a clown whose life's purpose is to get attention. If it's like taking candy from a baby why was his operation the only one that went down?

Right. In this interview, he claims that:

- It costs $100,000 per day for one inmate in jail

- The female correctional officers were moonlighting as hookers

- Everybody in the Olympics is doping

His first two claims make it hard for me to believe his third claim.

He still has his "nutritional" company. His living has been made on doping athletes. It is in his interest to drive public opinion towards believing that everybody is doping. The more you normalize it, the more potential customers you have.

I don't doubt that there are a fair number of athletes doping and getting away with it. But given the fact that he is clearly branded as somebody willing to help people dope, only athletes interested in doping would associate with him. If he only associated with athletes who were coming to him to help them dope, that would feed back quite nicely into his world view of everybody doping.

Popsickles wrote:

Failing to show up for WADA test 3x equates to a dope violation (ie. Andre Russell), but better for a dirty athlete to skip 3 tests than to actually test positive. Very easy to exploit loopholes in this system!

Exactly. Always easier to make excuses about why you weren't at home or the designated hotel, etc, than to try explaining away the presence of a substance. Just recently a female athlete got a slap on the wrist in spite of repeated wherabouts violations. In the latest, she wasn't at home as stated, but when testers phoned her she said she was at the airport. Testers went to the airport but she refused to come out of the gates and give a sample, even though it was hours before her flight. THIRD MISSED TEST. No punishment.

It would be like refusing to blow into a breathalyzer when you know you are drunk driving. So many technicalities to exploit and get off, compared with if you actually blow over the limit.

time will tell wrote:

He is a charlatan who knows nothing about physical training. He bought and paid for a fake University study to hype ZMA, which has since been shown not to work. His dope regimen couldn't even get Marion to improve over her PBs from before she started working with him. He's also an idiot to have let so many stupid untrustworthy people in on his scam and then tainted them online after parting ways until the whole thing came unraveled on an Internet forum. I really feel sorry for people who are dumb enough to buy into his utterly phony image as some kind of guru. He has zero real knowledge.

He knows about how to use PEDs. He doesn't have to know anything about physical training. He just added the drug component to an athlete's regimen. He made money with supplement sales. Supplement industry is mostly about creating hype. His regimen was very effective. Tim Montgomery for example became much better. Dwain Chambers is another example. Don't know about Marion. Women taking testosterone/steroids is not a very reasonable thing to do in the first place. Maybe Marion just used his services to stay at her winning level? Marion never added that much masculinity to her appearance so she must not have been on such a strong regimen. I don't think he was stupid. Getting caught was a publicity stunt for him.

kasdhfkadshfkadshfiadsf wrote:

“Circumventing the testing is as easy as taking candy from a baby.”

Of course. That is not exactly new, and can be proven by comparing the numbers of admitted dopers (e.g., 30% of all athletes in Daegu) with the ones caught per year. Or look at Aden's or Salazar's group. Or Bolt.

As for Marion Jones, don't forget that she already doped in high school.

But yeah, of course Conte isn't exactly trustworthy.

casual obsever wrote:

kasdhfkadshfkadshfiadsf wrote:

“Circumventing the testing is as easy as taking candy from a baby.”

Of course. That is not exactly new, and can be proven by comparing the numbers of admitted dopers (e.g., 30% of all athletes in Daegu) with the ones caught per year. Or look at Aden's or Salazar's group. Or Bolt.

As for Marion Jones, don't forget that she already doped in high school.

But yeah, of course Conte isn't exactly trustworthy.

Before the Balco scandal, I remember someone telling me (I'm pretty sure it was an international hurdler/Rhodes Scholar) that Marion Jones may have been busted in high school and basically she was "encouraged" to pursue basketball. I thought wow, considering the entire world thought that she was a genetic freak.

Very interesting podcast with Novitzky, no wonder most dopers are taking advantage of the Wada whereabouts rule... so easy to dodge!!!

Popsickles wrote:

Good question! Few go down b/c to effectively do so requires federal government intervention! (Novitzky, IRS and FDA agent who took down Lance and Barry)

See the Rogan podcast linked in the article below where he interviews Novitzky about this process.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/i-team/novitzky-opens-lance-armstrong-barry-bonds-cases-article-1.2333144

Athletes evade WADA all the f'ing time, and for good reason;-)

http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/sport/UPDATE--Kaliese-Spencer-charged-with-WADA-whereabouts-violation

time will tell wrote:

Conte is a clown whose life's purpose is to get attention. If it's like taking candy from a baby why was his operation the only one that went down?

Absolutely.

Once he was rumbled he has spent the rest of his waking hours making noise and shouting 'look at me, look at me'.