LetMeAskYouThis wrote:
LetsRun.com wrote:Multiple sources have told us that.
If Florida is such a tough place to coach then how do you explain the dominance of Frank Shorter, Jack Bachelor, and Jeff Galloway back in the 1970s?
140 miles/week and plenty of beer.
What happen to the W&M distance teams/XC the last 2 yrs?
Wolfpack wrote:
Well, Mr "Insider," you must be really "inside" to know all that! I guess some guy at a running camp is a worthy source.
1. Most in state distance runners receive "Bright Futures" ( you know, smart people) and a small amount of scholarship money, which covers quite a bit.
2. "Money" is also fluid, i.e., better performance can earn more money.
3. And then, of course, there is always the money paid to the people who are probable scorers in the SEC, and the NCAA.
A 4:08, 8:55 high schooler, is really good, but how many points is he going to score in the SEC, or NCAA. Grant Holloway, a really good high schooler gets a full ride because he is capable of a few points at the big meets.
Where should the money go?
If a high schooler like German Fernandez, or Drew Hunter was available, I suspect they wouldn't have to pay at UF.
The information about Spangler being fired came from a source (not the running camp counselor) actually close to the program. I can assure you I have more inside information to the Florida program than some basement-dwelling dweeb who goes by "Mr. Wolfpack." Have you ever had any contact with Paul Spangler or anyone associated with the Florida program? If not stfu.
And the part about the running camp counselor telling me about how much Jimmy Clark was getting was just to make a point about how counter-intuitive it is to fire a guy for not producing results, but severely limiting his resources. I'm aware that most coaches will not invest heavily in distance runners unless they can make an impact at conference or national meets. That said, various people on this thread have mentioned how hard it is for a big-time program to recruit in Florida and it only gets harder when a lot of the top recruits are going to smaller schools where they can get more financial assistance.
What does this mean for William and Mary's program? As an XC/distance specialized school they have experienced success in the past and have a good tradition finishing as well as 5th at NCAAs before a series of coaching changes. Will they be able to bring in an established coach or will they hire a current assistant coach from another successful program?
coahc wrote:
Lacaze another Australian and they have one that is very good in Jess Pascoe. Once she adapts to the US system will make a very big impact in the SEC and possibly nationals. For those coaches that aren't recruit aussies you really are missing some very fine runners!
Their population is 1/10th that of the US with what seems to be a similar distribution of talent. But they have a large time zone difference that makes it hard to make a phone call to recruit, out of state tuition, green card issues, the possibility the athlete gets cold feet on a move to a different continent, the need to translate academics for admissions purposes, etc.
Meanwhile coaches are overworked to the point that they don't have time to recruit all the suitable candidate in the US. If it is a California school, it can be tough just trying to reach all the possible good recruits in state.
So why would a coach take away from their already limited recruiting time to reach out specifically to aussie athletes? I'm sure any coach would happily take that aussie recruit, but not many are going to go after them.
If you're going to look outside of the US to recruit, much better to go after a target rich environment like the caribbean for sprints/jumps or east Africa for distance. You've gotta triage as a collegiate coach.
You're about 11 hours late to the party. Welcome aboard. True, those old Fla. Track Club guys may not have hung around town in the summer, but they were there fall, winter, and spring.
Trump2020OP wrote:
Not easy to coach in Florida humidity.
If true he should ask Tim Tebow to be his assistant coach if the baseball thing doesn't work out. If Tim is unavailable he should look up Keith Brantley. He is probably the last great Florida distance runner.
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Ran for UF 15 years ago. The lack of scholarship money was not any different back then. Based on climate and sprint focus UF is never going to be a distance powerhouse. But back then we were still able to recruit enough in-state talent to be competing for a spot at nationals because South region relatively weak. And if we didn't get auto we at least had a few points to be in the hunt for at large. But situation has gotten progressively worse to where guys in danger of getting cut when I was there would probably be top 5 now.
It's not scholarship money, because hardly anybody was getting anything back then either. And most were getting at least partial Bright Futures anyway. Spangler a very nice guy, but terrible recruiter. Everyone running decent last few years were left over Morgan recruits. On name and facilities alone UF should always be able to attract enough in-state talent to be competitive in South region.
Daaaaamn! That's a great hire. Diaz, Lowery, Bietter have been putting in a lot of miles this summer. Should be interesting
LetMeAskYouThis wrote:
LetsRun.com wrote:Multiple sources have told us that.
If Florida is such a tough place to coach then how do you explain the dominance of Frank Shorter, Jack Bachelor, and Jeff Galloway back in the 1970s?
- Global Warming
C'mon, "Mr. FlInsider," you should know there are no basements in Florida!
As to "contact?" Call Mike, and ask who he was on the phone with for the last half hour.
Did he turn your retired @$$ down again for the head clipboard carrier position?
Yup, and only partially retired!
LetMeAskYouThis wrote:
LetsRun.com wrote:Multiple sources have told us that.
If Florida is such a tough place to coach then how do you explain the dominance of Frank Shorter, Jack Bachelor, and Jeff Galloway back in the 1970s?
Um, because none of those three guys ran for Florida?
Good call on Pat Henner. He'd be a great choice.
Raysism wrote:
LetMeAskYouThis wrote:If Florida is such a tough place to coach then how do you explain the dominance of Frank Shorter, Jack Bachelor, and Jeff Galloway back in the 1970s?
Um, because none of those three guys ran for Florida?
Yup. The FTC guys were doing their big miles over the winter (which Florida is perfect for) and getting the hell out of town during the summer. College racing schedule means guys need to do their big miles over summer, which in Florida is damn near impossible.
Henner, Dunn and Gibby are all great options, and personally I’d love to see Gibby come back up, but there is no way it’ll happen. They just hired the Interim director officially as director. The guy is a 2009 alumni at W&M. Pat, Jason and Alex and going to play second fiddle to a young guy like that. They’re too old to be looking for assistant jobs at a small D1 school, even if two of them went there. Isn’t Henner a head coach somewhere? Dunn is out of the game anyway.
Dingler wrote:
Raysism wrote:Um, because none of those three guys ran for Florida?
Yup. The FTC guys were doing their big miles over the winter (which Florida is perfect for) and getting the hell out of town during the summer. College racing schedule means guys need to do their big miles over summer, which in Florida is damn near impossible.
- He is correct .... many spent summer's logging miles in the Appy mountains during the summer or out west.
- "You Heard it Here 1st!": Solinsky buckles & primarily recruits foreign athletes that specialize in the middle distances in order to allow the Gator's to become more competitive in premier events such as Drake, Penn, etc as well as pick-up a modicum of points at SECs. That's it ....
The next step wrote:
What does this mean for William and Mary's program? As an XC/distance specialized school they have experienced success in the past and have a good tradition finishing as well as 5th at NCAAs before a series of coaching changes. Will they be able to bring in an established coach or will they hire a current assistant coach from another successful program?
It seems there has been a recent shift at William and Mary from being distance focused to more well rounded. They want to win at the conference level in track. With a young director of track and field they will probably bring in a young distance coach, not some experienced veteran who won't answer to the head the same way. Don't look for a huge splash hire here that will lead them back to the glory days in distance running. I don't see them as an NCAAXC qualifying team any time soon
Gut it out wrote:
Who should get the job at WM?
http://www.tribeathletics.com/coaches.aspx?rc=621Or
http://www.tribeathletics.com/coaches.aspx?rc=658
It should be Christopher Matthew "Gut" Gutridge. He could get the program back on par with UVA and VT is terms of recruiting and performance.
I'd like to see Matt Barreau, who was recently let go at CNU, step into to an assistant's role. it was remarkable what he was able to do in Newport News and he seemed destined for making the jump to D1.