So it looks like Venus Williams is not at fault in fatal car crash earlier this month

The police haven't decided fault. There is still a potential civil legal proceeding, although I would expect the respective insurance companies to come up with a deal that gives a significant sum to the driver of the other car. We won't be privy to the details.

There's some lying going on here.

First the media reports the Police said Venus was at fault.

Now the media seems to be saying the police are saying the opposite.

I hope/suspect that the initial reports were lies ...made too soon after the incident.

The cops probably cited her at first - or whatever the term is - because witnesses said that the other car had the green at the time of the accident. They didn't bother to ask whether Venus had the green when she entered the intersection, or why she was still in it. The videotape answered the questions in her favor. The question remains as to why the other driver didn't stop in time, and why she was driving at a rate of speed that caused a fatality.

Though the answer to that is obvious to anyone who has ever driven in south Florida.

I just watched the video.

Seems to me as if there is no question it was not Venus' fault.

First of all, Williams pulled in front of the other car, that had the right of way.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CheyCJ_mXeg

Now, Williams is trying to block release of information, and has no concern for the others.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NsCc9C_NZWo

More information wrote:

First of all, Williams pulled in front of the other car, that had the right of way.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CheyCJ_mXeg

Now, Williams is trying to block release of information, and has no concern for the others.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NsCc9C_NZWo

Second of all, Venus entered the intersection on a green light, and wand traffic then stopped and kept her there.

And she is not blocking the release of information, she is making sure the information from both vehicles is preserved.

Biased much?

That animation is not correct.

1) Williams stops behind the white car on a red light.

2) Light turns green and white car turns left. In the meantime, another car traveling the opposite direction as Williams turns left in front of Williams, causing her to stop in the intersection.

3) By the time the car clears, the light has turned red in Williams' direction and green in the crossing direction. Williams is caught in the intersection.

4) Williams drives forward to get out of the intersection and right into the path of the car that hits her, which had a green light at the time.

In no way did Williams intentionally cause the crash or drive recklessly, but she did move in front of traffic that had a green light and the right of way. She does need to bear the greatest amount of fault. The driver who hit her probably should have been more attentive to her surroundings but if she saw GREEN she just assumed the road was clear.

If there is a car in the intersection already, then you shouldn't be accelerating rapidly at the green light. It sounds like Williams proceeded about as safely as she could, having been caught in the intersection by the car turning left in front of her. There were multiple South Florida-like driving incidents that led to the fatal crash, none of them Williams' doing as far as I can see.

"The driver who hit her probably should have been more attentive to her surroundings but if she saw GREEN she just assumed the road was clear."

Are you kidding? Saw green and just assumed the road was clear?

Say what animation? wrote:

"The driver who hit her probably should have been more attentive to her surroundings but if she saw GREEN she just assumed the road was clear."

Are you kidding? Saw green and just assumed the road was clear?

I am baffled by the nonchalance with which people discuss drivers choosing not to pay attention. You're operating a piece of machinery that can kill people. If a crane operator dropped a beam on someone, no one would be like "well, I guess he could have been more attentive, but I guess he just assumed that no one was in the way."

Why can't we demand the same skill and attentiveness of drivers that we demand of other people whose mistakes can be deadly?

deceptive animation wrote:

By the time the car clears, the light has turned red in Williams' direction and green in the crossing direction. Williams is caught in the intersection.

Williams drives forward to get out of the intersection and right into the path of the car that hits her, which had a green light at the time.

In no way did Williams intentionally cause the crash or drive recklessly

The intersection was not clear when she entered it, which was reckless on her part and was the cause of the accident. Contrary to some opinions, Williams IS responsible for her actions.

I was in an accident where i entered the intersection late and a car coming from the other direction turned left without checking that the intersection was clear. Technically i had right of way in that situation too but i got full blame for entering on red. As i should have.

It's more a case of money allowing a bit more wiggle room in the interpretation of what's shown on the video.

Actually, yes she did wrote:

deceptive animation wrote:

By the time the car clears, the light has turned red in Williams' direction and green in the crossing direction. Williams is caught in the intersection.

Williams drives forward to get out of the intersection and right into the path of the car that hits her, which had a green light at the time.

In no way did Williams intentionally cause the crash or drive recklessly

The intersection was not clear when she entered it, which was reckless on her part and was the cause of the accident. Contrary to some opinions, Williams IS responsible for her actions.

No, she followed a car into the intersection, that then stopped to make a turn. Why do you think she didn't get a ticket? Why do you think the police now say she wasn't at fault?

Why are you so hellbent on proclaiming her guilt?

[quote]deceptive animation wrote:

That animation is not correct.

1) Williams stops behind the white car on a red light.

2) Light turns green and white car turns left. In the meantime, another car traveling the opposite direction as Williams turns left in front of Williams, causing her to stop in the intersection.

3) By the time the car clears, the light has turned red in Williams' direction and green in the crossing direction. Williams is caught in the intersection.

4) Williams drives forward to get out of the intersection and right into the path of the car that hits her, which had a green light at the time.

I don't know what video you watched. Not the one I saw -- nor the police apparently.

Actually, yes she did wrote:

The intersection was not clear when she entered it, which was reckless on her part and was the cause of the accident. Contrary to some opinions, Williams IS responsible for her actions.

Actually, no she didn't wrote:

No, she followed a car into the intersection, that then stopped to make a turn. Why do you think she didn't get a ticket? Why do you think the police now say she wasn't at fault? Why are you so hellbent on proclaiming her guilt?

Therefore she entered the intersection when the intersection was not clear.

Good questions. She's obviously guilty. Why did the police change their story?

notrump wrote:

The police haven't decided fault. There is still a potential civil legal proceeding, although I would expect the respective insurance companies to come up with a deal that gives a significant sum to the driver of the other car. We won't be privy to the details.