Evan Jager "likely doping" per new Fancy Bears leak

anacondarunner wrote:

Also named were Farah, Rupp, and Puskedra.

Hopefully this will shatter the perception of the BTC being clean as a whistle compared to NOP.

This is all cover to keep people's minds off the runners from Kenya and Ethiopia and other countries who are allowed to dope at will for political reasons far beyond the comprehension of most letsrun posters.

Jagarbombed wrote:

oiuiouioutgh wrote:

The man-bun thing he's got going on is annoying.

What does liking him have to do with doping? Everyone liked Lance too.

I like him (IL represent), but frankly I think that plenty of other US runners are probably more interesting as a fan. Centro, Chelimo, Rupp, Murphy, and even Robby all have characters that make people either love them or hate them. Jager just kind of goes out there and gets the job done, and he doesn't even race very much. Two races this year, the rest of the time holed up in Utah.

Sorry, I don't know if I'm missing something, but doesn't this look really bad for WADA for having the blood passport controls in place, seeing these athletes as "highly likely doping" and not doing anything about it?

I realize it's not a positive, but certainly a report for "abnormal blood values" could be announced as it is in cycling? In that case, usually the team makes a statement, sidelines the rider, talks with WADA until it's sorted out and the rider comes back. I don't know, I think we're looking at the athletes and are disappointed, as we should be, but we should also be looking at the more serious implications.

Unless I'm missing something though, feel free to call me out

Let's keep in mind that this information was leaked by people with a clear agenda. Therefore, it's safe to assume they only selectively leaked information that incriminates the people they want to incriminate, and this information is biased towards that agenda. For all we know there could be hundreds of other documents with evidence the athletes are clean that the hackers chose not to release, or these "likely doping" flags could be a routine occurrence and that clean athletes can get them depending on how the data is processed. Certainly they wouldn't release data that didn't further their agenda.

Unless we know how this information fits within the broader context of IAAF's anti doping procedures, we can't safely draw any conclusions from it.

Skips Arm Day wrote:

Let's keep in mind that this information was leaked by people with a clear agenda.

That's a bit like saying "the release of athletes' positive drugs test results by the IAAF was done by people with a clear agenda."

KipOverThisSport wrote:

Sorry, I don't know if I'm missing something, but doesn't this look really bad for WADA for having the blood passport controls in place, seeing these athletes as "highly likely doping" and not doing anything about it?

Yeah, that's how I see it. Why are all these "likely doping" runners not getting caught? Is it because their thresholds are too generous?

Gwalkerruns wrote:

While I believe "likely" means they have no proof, I fail to see how these athletes have names listed while the Ethiopian stars' coach is in the next hotel room with epo filled syringe needles and they are not all on the list.......

EPO is not that likely to throw up a ABP violation.

This test is oriented at a different thing (e.g. blood manipulation).

DC Wonk wrote:

I'll wait to make any judgement about any of this until the docs get officially authenticated.

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Did you wait for any of the so-called McLaren report to be "officially authenticated"?

Skips Arm Day wrote:

Let's keep in mind that this information was leaked by people with a clear agenda. Therefore, it's safe to assume they only selectively leaked information that incriminates the people they want to incriminate, and this information is biased towards that agenda.

Just like McLaren with his anti-Russia brigade.

Ignore all the controverting evidence, and anyone can look guilty.

Its hard to believe that people can be that easily fooled by some fancy bears "leaks" -- isnt it obvious not to see that these "leaks" are coming exactly before world champs, and mentions biggest names except for russians.

IAAF is oficially recognizing that most of elite distance runners have abnormal bio passport results.

And that is not normal. They're all working in a dangerous gray zone (yes Jerry, you too), that the powers that be call "likely doping", because they can't accept that track and field is as dirty as the TDF.

qw wrote:

Its hard to believe that people can be that easily fooled by some fancy bears "leaks" -- isnt it obvious not to see that these "leaks" are coming exactly before world champs, and mentions biggest names except for russians.

sure, I will bite.

that doesn't mean it is not true.

Statement from Jager

http://www.evanjager.com/news/2017/7/6/statement-regarding-fancy-bears-document

I just read his statement and it seems sincere to me. Sure he could be fooling us, but what he wrote is a helluva lot better than Mo's "never failed a blood test" garbage.

qw wrote:

Its hard to believe that people can be that easily fooled by some fancy bears "leaks" -- isnt it obvious not to see that these "leaks" are coming exactly before world champs, and mentions biggest names except for russians.

"Exactly before" meaning one month before.

"Except for Russians", when they are banned by McLaren anyway.

"Biggest names", except for Bolt, van Niekerk, etc.

Need to know... wrote:

I just read his statement and it seems sincere to me. Sure he could be fooling us, but what he wrote is a helluva lot better than Mo's "never failed a blood test" garbage.

Really? First he says that he likely wasn't even tested at that time in question, and that he waits to hear from "the authorities", but then concludes "the IAAF has clearly determined that there was no anti-doping rule violation committed". Weird.

All he was saying was they never had let him know of this apparent test result that would be a "likely doping" thus forth proving his previous claim he doesn't think he was tested that date, numb nuts

MissingNo. wrote:

I don't trust the accuracy of any doping report that doesn't list Genzebe Dibaba in any way.

+1

SteepleKing wrote:

#cleansport wrote:

Where is the Rojo / Wejo headline for Jager? They will just post the headlines against NOP and let Jager walk away like a hero.

I just wish everyone was honest with themselves about this and realize NOP is only a small portion of the problems. These other "clean" groups are not so clean and everyone who is anyone knows it!

I'm all for kicking the BS out and having a true #Cleansport

Are there seriously people out there that dont like Evan Jager????

He's white and fast, like Rupp, main reason for the hate if we are all honest with ourselves