Ranking WI collegiate distance programs

The Starved Elephant wrote:

Tundra Track Club wrote:

For those of you who think that going to Milwaukee is a joke, just remind yourself that their kids have been able to race 3 times already this spring while most D3 schools havent been able to race at all due to poor weather. Laugh it up in the snow while these kids are running PR's in Cali.

The ability to buy plane tickets in not way indicates that a team is good.

Yes. I saw UWM race XC and was very impressed by them. I wish I could say the same for Wisco!

Where's Paolo Tiongson been for Marquette?

Marqqquettte wrote:

Where's Paolo Tiongson been for Marquette?

Who?

The Starved Elephant wrote:

Tundra Track Club wrote:

For those of you who think that going to Milwaukee is a joke, just remind yourself that their kids have been able to race 3 times already this spring while most D3 schools havent been able to race at all due to poor weather. Laugh it up in the snow while these kids are running PR's in Cali.

The ability to buy plane tickets in not way indicates that a team is good.

How are you still not understanding this. Nobody thinks UWM is a good team. What people are pointing out is that they are getting better, and they do in fact offer better opportunities than DIII schools.

I know the weather has been less than ideal, but I thought guys would have been running much faster by now. In the WIAC, there are only 5 guys under 1:55, 5 guys under 4:00 (1500), 4 guys under 15:00, and no one under 31:30...

You may want to check tfrrs again. 3 guys went under 30:30 and there are now 12 athletes under 4:00...

Wondering if anyone has any inside info on commits for any of the WI schools. The second signing period was just completed so I would assume that most teams are just about finalizing their rosters. So far I've only heard of UW signing Fellman, Belson, and Koch. The senior class in the state isn't fantastic this year but there are some solid guys who I haven't seen commit anywhere else.

jjustwondering wrote:

Wondering if anyone has any inside info on commits for any of the WI schools. The second signing period was just completed so I would assume that most teams are just about finalizing their rosters. So far I've only heard of UW signing Fellman, Belson, and Koch. The senior class in the state isn't fantastic this year but there are some solid guys who I haven't seen commit anywhere else.

I heard that the recruiting is very good in the country of Australia!

Jordan Janusiak 4:34, 9:31, 15:52

Johnny Hyland 4:27, 9:26, 16:11

Michael Tremonti 4:24, 9:42, 15:50

Stephen Poorten 4:29, 9:33, 16:05

Patrick Burns 4:26, 9:27, 15:50

Saw the NLI's for Marquette on their Twitter page. Looks like they are going to reload with some great talent. Excited to see what these guys can do this outdoor season and this fall for MU.

Those are all good runners. However, I am wondering if they actually got anything. My son was much faster than those guys and he tried to attend Marquette last year but was offered nothing so he moved on.

Good enough wrote:

Those are all good runners. However, I am wondering if they actually got anything. My son was much faster than those guys and he tried to attend Marquette last year but was offered nothing so he moved on.

I'm not sure, but it seems like kids don't an NLI's unless they are receiving an athletic scholarship from that school. Is this correct? If not, it seems kind of silly to hold a presser for a kid who is signing a letter of commitment for walk on status. Especially considering that the second you sign one of those, you lose all your leveraging power, and are bound to that even if you have a huge breakthrough finish to your HS career.

On a side note, if what you said is correct about not receiving any scholarship offer for your son (he ran faster than 4:20 or 9:20 I imagine), then it begs the question of whether or not Marquette has a lot of athletic scholarship money available to even offer.

DI schools are allowed to fund up to 12.6 full scholarships for mens track/xc, however that money doesn't just show up in every schools account at the start of the year like magic-- they need to raise it. Power 5 schools like Wisco, Kentucky, Arkansas, etc., probably have so much money available that they fill it to the brim and then ask donors to allocate the rest of it to other expenses.

I have always assumed that money bags Marquette filled the full 12.6. However, your point about your kid as well as the talent pool Marquette attracts in general lead me to think that maybe they are underfunded from an athletic scholarship standpoint.

If that is the case, that is pretty embarrassing, their alumni should be ashamed of themselves. This also may change the expectation level for Coach Nelson a little bit. I don't know how much he has to work with, could be as little as no money, could be the full amount, but my guess is that he only has like 2-3 fulls to work with spread over 20+ guys.

I could be way off, but I doubt it. Can anyone confirm or deny this about the state of affairs at Marquette?

I used to help out at a WIAC school not too long ago and I've sort of gathered that Marquette XC only has a few athletic scholarships to work with and that the vast majority of those go only to the Miller twins. I can understand why talented kids would go to Marquette not on scholarship if their parents are very wealthy and they value the private education a lot. If what I've heard is true, that will allow Marquette to land a couple more top recruits in a few years once the Millers graduate.

Golden Eagle Commits wrote:

Jordan Janusiak 4:34, 9:31, 15:52

Johnny Hyland 4:27, 9:26, 16:11

Michael Tremonti 4:24, 9:42, 15:50

Stephen Poorten 4:29, 9:33, 16:05

Patrick Burns 4:26, 9:27, 15:50

Figured out all of these signings for UWM mainly through word of mouth and social media

Josh Freitag 4:24 9:23 15:50

Jack Fitzgerald 1:55 4:23 15:51

Trevor Wenzel 4:27 9:46 15:51

Charlie Ellenbecker 4:25 9:29 15:50

Spencer Currie 4:27 15:41

UWM with what looks like a better class than last year and many speculated last years class to be their best in a long time. On paper these classes look very similar. Hard to rate which team will be better next cross country season. Marquette was clearly the better team all season, but will return 6 of their top 7 as Alec Miller is out of XC eligibility. UWM brings back their entire top 7 and will also add Tagliapietra who will more than likely end up being the best runner out of these combined rosters. Look for both of these incoming classes to have significant impacts right off the bat. Cannot see any WIAC teams coming close to either school next year (as it should be) and although they won't be near the caliber of UW, both schools can now go for recruits that would normally be a lock for the Badgers.

Future is extremely bright for both programs and it will be exciting to follow these two teams for the foreseeable future.

Yes he was faster in both the 1600 and 3200. He also had a 35 ACT so academics weren't an issue. I am guessing that they only get a few scholarships fro the entire team.

Fast Enough wrote:

He also had a 35 ACT so academics weren't an issue.

Hmmm. . . interesting for two reasons. First, its odd that you were considering sending your son to Marquette if he's that smart. Also weird because Marquette the school usually offers close to full tuition for ACTs that high. You could get no athletic money at all and still pay very little.

I don't mean to be Johnny Rain Cloud here, but in response to the class UWM is signing, there isn't a whole lot to pound your chest about.

Season Bests:

Josh Freitag 2:06 4:39

Jack Fitzgerald 1:58 4:25

Trevor Wenzel 4:27 9:46

Charlie Ellenbecker 4:36 9:49

Spencer Currie 2:04 4:34 16:42

I understand the weather has been poor and all these kids will improve during the outdoor season from where they are today, but in many cases they are going to need to drop significant time just to get back to where they have been (which isn't all that good). Last years class was special because Sippy and Tagliapietra were state medalists, UWM doesn't usually bag two guys of that caliber, especially not at the same time. Outside of Fitzgerald and Wenzel (who appear to have some talent), all I see are another set of perpetual 1:57 4:22 8:45 15:10 guys. Money wasted once again.

Marquette long distance group from this past weekend

McClelland, Max SO-2 15:37.00 UW-Whitewater Drake Alternative Apr 28, 2018

Cavanaugh, Matthew SO-2 15:45.36 UW-Whitewater Drake Alternative Apr 28, 2018

Peterson, Danny FR-1 15:50.58 UW-Whitewater Drake Alternative Apr 28, 2018

Dvornik, Ryan SO-2 15:51.93 UW-Whitewater Drake Alternative Apr 28, 2018

Klaiber, Jon JR-3 31:14.15 2018 Drake Relays presented by Hy-Vee Apr 25, 2018

Burd, Ryan SO-2 31:42.03 2018 Drake Relays presented by Hy-Vee Apr 25, 2018

Pederson, Daniel SO-2 31:46.31 2018 Drake Relays presented by Hy-Vee Apr 25, 2018

Barbour, Max FR-1 32:17.87 2018 Drake Relays presented by Hy-Vee Apr 25, 2018

Somebody explain to me how they are getting better as a program. Im all ears.

Scenario: 5k XC race on grass.

Is Middleton better than Marquette?

middle town wrote:

Scenario: 5k XC race on grass.

Is Middleton better than Marquette?

Alright, everyone knows Marquette had a rough weekend, but if these two teams lined up for 5k xc, Marquette would run a perfect score.