I assume this will affect the American Distance Project
I assume this will affect the American Distance Project
Wow just wow.
At least we get to keep Paul Chelimo!
It this Trump's fault? It's not clear to me if this is the same as his baby with the bath water first Muslim ban.
I could understand putting the project on hold to do some "extreme vetting." I don't understand why we would sent people that the government has already vetted and trained.
I guess I should keep my mouth shut as long as I don't have to fight. Now where's my beer...
Oh, that means more American born white boys will need to enlist. Our forces will have jobs that need filling.
I don't think it'll happen. Anonymous DoD officials? Wake me when Mattis announces it.
Just Wowzers wrote:
Oh, that means more American born white boys will need to enlist. Our forces will have jobs that need filling.
Well, not sure what race has to do with it....
But the point is right. This program wasn't started as a way to give foreigners a pathway to citizenship, it was started because of very profound recruitment gaps in the armed forces. They were offering large incentives for people to enlist and it just wasn't working, so they got creative.
There are still large enlistments bonuses, college tuition after 4 years of service, etc, plus this service-for-citizenship program and yet all the branches still have worker shortages.
sfsfsdfsdf wrote:
There are still large enlistments bonuses, college tuition after 4 years of service, etc, plus this service-for-citizenship program and yet all the branches still have worker shortages.
To me, this seems like a really good deal. There was a thread where a dad was asking how he could pay for college and I said coast guard or air force, but it was ignored. I wish that I had done it.
I never really understood the WCAP program. Why does the US Army want a way to help foreign athletes to become US citizens and NOT actually work for the Army? I get that these athletes need to go through basic training and do a bit of work in the beginning, but then they essentially become pro athletes and don't do shit for the Army at all. What is the motivation for the Army to have this program?
Deporting people that are currently participating in this program would be the ultimate slap in the face.
But compassion is for losers, I guess.
i see why you're confused. they do work for the army before, during and after their time spent training. you clearly know very little about the army
Confused... wrote:
I never really understood the WCAP program. Why does the US Army want a way to help foreign athletes to become US citizens and NOT actually work for the Army? I get that these athletes need to go through basic training and do a bit of work in the beginning, but then they essentially become pro athletes and don't do shit for the Army at all. What is the motivation for the Army to have this program?
Tell that to Simmon's guy who got deployed the week before USA's. These guys do work for the Army and will serve like anybody else when called upon. You're a fool.
Marjetinggenius wrote:
Confused... wrote:I never really understood the WCAP program. Why does the US Army want a way to help foreign athletes to become US citizens and NOT actually work for the Army? I get that these athletes need to go through basic training and do a bit of work in the beginning, but then they essentially become pro athletes and don't do shit for the Army at all. What is the motivation for the Army to have this program?
Tell that to Simmon's guy who got deployed the week before USA's. These guys do work for the Army and will serve like anybody else when called upon. You're a fool.
who got deployed?
Also WCAP is strictly a PR move for the military (and I say that as a member of the military). No problem with them doing it at all, just recognize it for what it is.
Guys, this is a good thing. The U.S. military is as bloated as half of its citizens. It's inefficient and ineffective. This may not be fair to 1000 soldiers, but it's fair to the taxpayers.
So my question wasn't why give citizenship to foreigners who enlist and work as a full-time soldier (the trade-off makes sense there) ... the question was why have foreign athletes get citizenship for enlisting and becoming a pro athlete?
This answered my question, thank you.
Far Gone wrote:
Wow just wow.
At least we get to keep Paul Chelimo!
You like my handle, eh?
My understanding these folks were hired because of their fluency in certain foreign languages.
you don't know crap. Spend a few hours in basic and you'd go home crying to mama. They do more work for the US than a spoiled white brat like you ever will.
afdafsdfsd wrote:you don't know crap. Spend a few hours in basic and you'd go home crying to mama. They do more work for the US than a spoiled white brat like you ever will.
The fact that you've lowered yourself to name calling and that kind of non-argument ("you're not in the Army so you have no right to comment") just shows you have nothing worthwhile to contribute and no intelligent response to my question. While not a military man myself, I come from a military family so I know plenty about the sacrifice involved and what these men and women do for the US; I don't need any kind of lecture from you.
I had a close relative almost die in an explosion in Iraq (many months to recover and will never be the same again) and still return to active duty later on. Maybe these Kenyan-American WCAP athletes do more for the US than me (and likely you), but that's irrelevant to the current discussion. I was born an American citizen; I'm not earning it based on my contributions to the US Army. My point (and question about the motivation behind WCAP) was that these WCAP athletes contribute far less than my relative and the thousands of soldiers like him, so why does the Army bother with it? Why not only grant citizenship for work as full-time soldiers rather than soldier-athletes? I suspect the answer provided by usnspecialist above is correct or at least part of the equation.
NietzschesDelight wrote:
http://www.npr.org/2017/07/03/535342867/pentagon-considers-canceling-program-that-recruits-immigrant-soldiersI assume this will affect the American Distance Project
- This does not affect the American Distance Project ... they are "real Americans." It's likely to negatively impact Maj Dan Browne & the World Class Army Program's deliberate recruiting model of of East Africans primarily from the US collegiate ranks to enlist in the US Army, fast-track to citizenship, & take Olympic/WC spots from legitimate Amercian athletes. Normally these alleged US soldiers are
* poached from US collegitate programs that your taxpayers already subsidized for non-US citizens
* rarely deploy overseas to either the Middle East or Afghanistan or enlist in the combat arms.
- Furthermore, these athletes make people think that Dan Browne's some world-class coach ... like he's developed these guys.
You folks have idea about the difference between a pentagon study and actual implementation of an idea. There are many studies with recommendations that are never implemented. Read any Army Times screaming headline that soldiers get worked up about then whatever the headline says is never implemented