Kamworor talking the same old smack again

How is this smack exactly? He's stating his opinion and not demeaning the other competitors. Far from it, he's paying respect to Farah.

MzunguWarrior wrote:

How is this smack exactly?

In T&F "smack" is anything that's not butt kissing.

Geoff is going to kick some MoTail in London.

tony the tiger wrote:

"I am not going for a silver medal this time around. We can't continue playing second fiddle," declared Kamworor, the 2015 World 10,000m silver medallist.

"We shall have to change our tactics in order to beat Mo Farah."

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Its smack cause Jeff knows , his teammates know and the world know that he wont beat Mo Farah in London ..so, yeah its none sense talk in plain english it's BULLSHIT

Is it legal to actually smack?

It's not like Kamworor has run under 13, under 27 and under 59 or won a bunch of world titles. Oh wait, he has.

I have a lot of respect for Mo Farah's ability to win, but why the hell would you be surprised by Kamworor saying what he did? You don't get that good by giving up before the gun goes off.

sc42 wrote:

It's not like Kamworor has run under 13, under 27 and under 59 or won a bunch of world titles. Oh wait, he has.

I have a lot of respect for Mo Farah's ability to win, but why the hell would you be surprised by Kamworor saying what he did? You don't get that good by giving up before the gun goes off.

Nothing wrong with what he said, except that he's said it several times before and always come up short-including earlier this very season at Pre. At this point, he's like the boy who cried wolf.

Great runner. I don't care what people say before or after the race. I'd just like to see him go all in and really break away like Ngug did at the Olympics or Komen did at Worlds. So far he has made it tough but not taken a huge risk to make angap. However, it's a lot to ask because it risks fading badly over the last 2k

Trito wrote:

sc42 wrote:

It's not like Kamworor has run under 13, under 27 and under 59 or won a bunch of world titles. Oh wait, he has.

I have a lot of respect for Mo Farah's ability to win, but why the hell would you be surprised by Kamworor saying what he did? You don't get that good by giving up before the gun goes off.

Nothing wrong with what he said, except that he's said it several times before and always come up short-including earlier this very season at Pre. At this point, he's like the boy who cried wolf.

tony the tiger wrote:"I am not going for a silver medal this time around. We can't continue playing second fiddle," declared Kamworor, the 2015 World 10,000m silver medallist.

"We shall have to change our tactics in order to beat Mo Farah."

no he's not talking smack

from another thread i did some estimates for 800/1500 wins & i'll do the formal 10k

27'35 at nairobi using denver as proxy is ~ 26'37.89

adjust with wind/altitude calculator : 27'35 is 16.55s for 100m & input with nairobi altitude of 1661m -> 16.636

-> final converted time of 26'37.89 * ( 16.636/16.55 ) =

26'46 !!

in tactical race with no pacers off stoopid opening 2k

he did run 27'11 !!! there for win in '15 which works out at 26'22 !!!

27:11.89A Geoffrey Kamworor KEN 28.11.92 1 Nairobi 01.08.2015

that may explain why they didn't break mo in peking

( apart from jogging 1st km )

they had run too hard in trials & hadn't recovered enough by peking whch was just 3/52 after kenyan 10k !!!

26'22 equivalent in nairobi in likely hot/humid weather wouda been probably below 26'10 on temperate day in brussels

to run another quality 10k so soon after was impossible, but this time they have not run as hard as in '15 trials ( 24s difference indicates this ) & have a near 5/52 more recovery than in '15

expect them to have more aggressive run in london than in peking

It would be great if he could break KB's world record in the 10000!!!

Do you still think he has a chance?!?!?!?

So a 27:35 10K is equivalent to a sub 26:10 10K.

Certainly sub 27 maybe even sub 26:50 but not 26:22. You need a bath tub full of EPO to run that sort of time.

yyy wrote:It would be great if he could break KB's world record in the 10000!!!

Do you still think he has a chance?!?!?!?

- in '15 in trials he had likely ~ 26'10 in him

- career peak so far was definitely in early-'16 when he fell down at start of cardiff HM & sprinted hard to catch up & ran 59-flat in worst conditions that have ever been seen for a major race in living memory

that was shape likely close to 26-flat

i don't think he recovered from chest infection which ruined his rio 10k ( an infection that bad is likely something like TB !!! )

i think still he may be 15 - 20s slower than his cardiff peak but that still gives potential of 26'15 - 26'20, so has a shot at 10k wr but there is no 10k in brussels nowdays & london will be too hot to attempt it

i don't know if he woud be interested in a shot at it until may be eugene next year ( which is often too windy for a 10k ), but if he wins in londo his aim certainly woud be to consolidate that with a 10k wr shot

calculoon wrote:So a 27:35 10K is equivalent to a sub 26:10 10K.

learn to read

27'35A = ~ 26'46

Subway Surfers Addiction wrote:Certainly sub 27 maybe even sub 26:50 but not 26:22. You need a bath tub full of EPO to run that sort of time.

no you don't

no name guys such as kemboi/dinkessa have run 26'30 & in kemboi's race against geb his last 600 according to canova was 1'23 !!!

that is 55+ pace for last 600m !!!

clealy pace to 9400m had been too slow, primarily because geb was terrified a guy was on his shoulder & slowed it from ~ 5k waiting for the kick

if that had been hard from gun to tape, that "no name" kemboi wouda run ~ 26'22.5 - 26'25

also, talking Kenyans, tergat in then 26'27wr jogged 5k in ~ 13'17.5 which is 26'35 pace & speeded up every last part of last 5k, going 13'10.35 or 26'20.75 pace, accentuated even more by last 3k of 7'50.0 !!! which is 26'06 pace !!! all with 59.5 last lap

hard from the gun that day in what looks pretty humid conditions considering how sweaty he looked, that was

~ 26'15 - 26'20

also 10k suffers with lot of extra distance run on bends having to lap runners, so 26'22 is weak time

10ks are ruined by infreqiency/poor pacing/lapping guys

i have devised some absolute mathematical tables & nearest line of fit for 26'22 is

26'22.57

=

9.90

19.80

44.10

1'42.20

2'11.77

3'28.63

4'45.73

7'22.86

12'43.00

26'22 is better than i thought & superior to 1kwr, nearly as good as 2kwr, not far off 3kwr but long way off 800/1500/5k wrs

the wr shoud be nearer 26'10 which kennster shouda got with better pace judgement as laps varied from 64.4 to last one of 57.1

nearest line of fit for that is

26'10.57

=

9.78

19.56

43.62

1'41.24

2'10.57

3'26.83

4'43.33

7'19.26

12'37.00

as for shorter distances, those are basic times & indicates sprinters are the most talented of all runners & likely "humans" best running distance from evolution is probably 100/200/400

Farah is pretty good, like I always say. I think he might beat Kamwo this time around.

I'll agree with that ... wrote:

Great runner. I don't care what people say before or after the race. I'd just like to see him go all in and really break away like Ngug did at the Olympics or Komen did at Worlds. So far he has made it tough but not taken a huge risk to make angap. However, it's a lot to ask because it risks fading badly over the last 2k

Trito wrote:

Nothing wrong with what he said, except that he's said it several times before and always come up short-including earlier this very season at Pre. At this point, he's like the boy who cried wolf.

Yeah, he doesn't need to throw in a 58, but he's got to actually form a gap if he wants his best shot. Here's my suggestion: after the first two or three laps, run 61, 61, 61 for the next three laps, and then do just enough so that the lead stays 10m or more. Just enough so that Farah doesn't want to go with him for risk of blowing up, but not enough so that HE blows up.

Of course, Kamworor will still have to show himself to be the best time-trialist in the field, which I think is very unknown at this point.

But if he gets to 2k with a 10-20m gap on the field without doing anything crazy up to that point, he can settle into 63-65 second laps and dare the field to try to come across the gap.