Donovan Brazier... Seriously?

HardLoper wrote:

Sighting your hind wrote:

But you didn't.

Because it is obvious

In hindsight.

Still not nearly has nutie as Maggie Vessay going out in 65 when the field went out in 58/59. Got so far behind she gave trying to catch pack after being one of favs. Just not in that race mentally

Rojo said he's a lock to make London and everyone told him he was a moron. But that's par for the course.

Duhhhhh wrote:

george oscar bluth wrote:

How soon you sorry excuses for track fans forget the first round of Rio when Murphy didn't automatically qualify for the semis and had to get in on time. It wasn't even a year ago.

This isn't the Olympics, bruh. It's the first round of USAs where he is a second and a half faster than everyone else in his heat: theoretically.

...and you're right this isn't the Olympics. But if your logic applies, why did Murphy have to qualify by time in the 1500m 1st round??

I'm a big fan of Murphy and Brazier. They're both big talents who are young and just starting the careers. I don't understand why everyone seeks to rip on Brazier but worships Murphy. I get CONSTRUCTIVELY criticizing how he seems to have a little trouble with rounds sometimes, but a lot of this you could say the same for Murphy. Brazier didn't peak correctly because he didn't know he would go to the OT and made a mistake, missing out on the final without a time qualifier. Murphy almost doesn't make it to the final in the Olympics, but gets in on time. The other rounds just happened to be a little faster or slower. You can argue Murphy made up for it with his bronze, cool that's resolved.

Now, Brazier makes it in on a time qualifier in the heats. Suddenly he's repeating the OT and a failure and he can't do tactical racing and he's the biggest failure of talent since blah blah blah. Murphy makes it into the 1500m final with a time qualifier. Barely anything said about it.

Logic??

He's barely 20 years old. By the time the 2020 Olympics roll around, he'll be 23. In 2024, he'll still be in his prime, at 27. He could well turn out to be the best the 800m talent we've ever had, and he's going to have two Olympic cycles in his absolute prime.

He's still very young and is learning what it takes to run the 800m at an elite level. Cut him some slack. Sit back, relax, and enjoy the show. I, for one, am excited to watch him grow and develop over the next 8 to 10 years.

Brazier should adopt the Rudisha tactic.

He is a great talent but inexperienced and it showed, this is a learning curve for him and he did ok enough. Positioning, pace, awareness of moves people have or might make are all parts of racing ABSOLUTELY taken for granted on LRC. For 90% of people here faster PR = first.

He is certainly not 'done'.

I assume nobody remembers the faulty start Rudisha had in his senior career after being tipped to be the next big thing.

C'mon, this is letsrun. It's pretty obvious why everyone loves Murphy and yet many shit on Brazier.

Brazier is just raw. I believe if he had proper training he could easily make a world final. Dude only does 25 miles a week. Only a mater of time before Nike makes him leave A&M to get some real 800m training in. Kids a talent just hasn't been untapped yet.

Gogoes wrote:

Brazier is just raw. I believe if he had proper training he could easily make a world final. Dude only does 25 miles a week. Only a mater of time before Nike makes him leave A&M to get some real 800m training in. Kids a talent just hasn't been untapped yet.

I doubt Brazier is undertrained still. He is just inexperienced.

Looking at other Texas A&M talent he is in good hands, and probably the right hands for him.

He likely doesn't train how you would want him too, but that doesn't say much. Half of letsrun thinks he will be the next 1500m stud and should move up because he ran a 4:09 mile once... whilst also running 46 for 400 lol.

Kitchen Thoughts wrote:

Murphy = white

Brazier = black

Wonder why everyone likes Murphy more...

Murphy=distance runner

Brazier=sprinter

Nothing to do with race, has to do with our aerobic bias. Especially when sprinters like to tell us they can outback us at the end of races, when your kick largely comes from your endurance

Brazier should run like Boris, take out the prelim and coast in on the last lap. Brazier does not have a great kick in a slow race. Boris learned the hard way too after failing to make the final in 2015.

White lets run writers can't even spell his name right. This is a black kid who took down Jim Ryan's record. The Jim Ryan! The great white American hope for distance running. And here comes brazier a 19 year old kid who doesn't even know who Jim Ryan is, comes and destroys it. Brazier gets hated on beccasue he is a not the typical track nerd. He sounds like a kid who doesn't make his whole life about running. He's not like us the viewers and writers of let's run. That and his race are the two reason why he is hated on, is my belief.

he is barely 20 years old...

Jigle wrote:

White lets run writers can't even spell his name right. This is a black kid who took down Jim Ryan's record. The Jim Ryan! The great white American hope for distance running. And here comes brazier a 19 year old kid who doesn't even know who Jim Ryan is, comes and destroys it. Brazier gets hated on beccasue he is a not the typical track nerd. He sounds like a kid who doesn't make his whole life about running. He's not like us the viewers and writers of let's run. That and his race are the two reason why he is hated on, is my belief.

My man...you didn't even spell Jim Ryun's name correctly.

f dog z 3 wrote:

Murphy=distance runner

Brazier=sprinter

Nothing to do with race, has to do with our aerobic bias. Especially when sprinters like to tell us they can outback us at the end of races, when your kick largely comes from your endurance

Murphy probably leans more towards the distance side because of his 1500m capabilities and PRs. Besides that argument, I wouldn't really pin either of them as a sprinter or a distance runner. They seem pure Mid-Distance.

Hear me out, let's look at both of them two seasons ago (2015)

Brazier: 47.96, 1:47.55, 4:07.15 (1600m), 15:25.4 (5k)

Murphy: 45.95(r), 1:45.59, 3:43.08 (1500m), 24:58.1 (8k)

Yeah though this was 2 seasons ago, it provides the most complete comparisons between their endurance and speed. Murphy pretty much wins it all in comparison. Granted, he's 2 years older but I still wouldn't really pin either as a particular sprinter or distance athlete.

somebody with a fork wrote:

f dog z 3 wrote:

Murphy=distance runner

Brazier=sprinter

Nothing to do with race, has to do with our aerobic bias. Especially when sprinters like to tell us they can outback us at the end of races, when your kick largely comes from your endurance

Murphy probably leans more towards the distance side because of his 1500m capabilities and PRs. Besides that argument, I wouldn't really pin either of them as a sprinter or a distance runner. They seem pure Mid-Distance.

Hear me out, let's look at both of them two seasons ago (2015)

Brazier: 47.96, 1:47.55, 4:07.15 (1600m), 15:25.4 (5k)

Murphy: 45.95(r), 1:45.59, 3:43.08 (1500m), 24:58.1 (8k)

Yeah though this was 2 seasons ago, it provides the most complete comparisons between their endurance and speed. Murphy pretty much wins it all in comparison. Granted, he's 2 years older but I still wouldn't really pin either as a particular sprinter or distance athlete.

Why are we looking at them two seasons ago exactly?

Murphy is a pure mid distance, 800/1500 guy who learns heavily towards the 800m thus far. His attempts in the 1500 are valiant but not Olympic Bronze yet.

Brazier will never, ever make it in the 1500m. Nor will he attempt to. 4:07 for a 1:47 guy is shocking. He is a pure 800m guy, not a 'sprinter' (they run 100-400m in the sport of athletics).

f dog z 3 wrote:

Kitchen Thoughts wrote:

Murphy = white

Brazier = black

Wonder why everyone likes Murphy more...

Murphy=distance runner

Brazier=sprinter

Nothing to do with race, has to do with our aerobic bias. Especially when sprinters like to tell us they can outback us at the end of races, when your kick largely comes from your endurance

Everyone hasn't been very high on Murphy here anyway

wewjreopos wrote:

look, he's never going to make a world final. he's done. get over it. out

He'll be fine. And Murphy's going to be very tired in the final. Murph will make it, but Brazier will come through, might even beat a tired Murphy.

Murphy doubled you goof. You can't compare what Murphy is doing to what Brazier has done so far. That said, I believe both of them will make the team, but that Murphy is the only one with a chance this year to medal.