Jordan Hasay scratched from USATF Outdoor Championships

And California weeps. Ticket sales will be bad now. : (

She wasn't medically ready.

Probably saw the weather forecast.

Hasay seemed really upset after Stumptown and she didn't really seem like she wanted to run USA's. I think she's accepted herself as a marathoner. Tbh, she's still young, I think it would be unwise for her to go ahead and start doing 2 marathons a year with no track work, and I hope she comes back because I believe she can still lay down a good 10k. As for right now, she still has the marathon legs. I think we will see her go for the 10k in 2019. Next year is an off year and she will obviously go for the marathon in 2020.

I told her that her thyroid was ill prepared for Stumptown. Things should kick in by Peachtree.

Pardon my ignorance, but I've been retired from competitive running for about 25 years and no longer follow the road scene. That said, I recall a time back in the day when many world class runners made their livings running road races at various distances shorter than the marathon. (Of course, many would also run a couple marathons each year.) Does this not happen anymore? Could Hasay not become an exclusive roadie and just (for the most part) put track in the rearview window?

I'm pretty sure the road money is better than the track money at 10ooom . Plus there is no money at all on the track at distances longer than 10ooom.

Old Roadie wrote:

Pardon my ignorance, but I've been retired from competitive running for about 25 years and no longer follow the road scene. That said, I recall a time back in the day when many world class runners made their livings running road races at various distances shorter than the marathon. (Of course, many would also run a couple marathons each year.) Does this not happen anymore? Could Hasay not become an exclusive roadie and just (for the most part) put track in the rearview window?

It's not like it used to be. The only way to really "make a living" on the roads is through the marathon.

But it's not like track meets are paying a ton for her services, so the answer to your final question is definitely yes.

Raysism wrote:

Old Roadie wrote:

Pardon my ignorance, but I've been retired from competitive running for about 25 years and no longer follow the road scene. That said, I recall a time back in the day when many world class runners made their livings running road races at various distances shorter than the marathon. (Of course, many would also run a couple marathons each year.) Does this not happen anymore? Could Hasay not become an exclusive roadie and just (for the most part) put track in the rearview window?

It's not like it used to be. The only way to really "make a living" on the roads is through the marathon.

But it's not like track meets are paying a ton for her services, so the answer to your final question is definitely yes.

Not sure about that. Christo Landry, Sam Chelanga, and the younger NAZ guys don't really focus on track or marathon but I'm sure they've been doing fine.

Raysism wrote:

Old Roadie wrote:

Pardon my ignorance, but I've been retired from competitive running for about 25 years and no longer follow the road scene. That said, I recall a time back in the day when many world class runners made their livings running road races at various distances shorter than the marathon. (Of course, many would also run a couple marathons each year.) Does this not happen anymore? Could Hasay not become an exclusive roadie and just (for the most part) put track in the rearview window?

It's not like it used to be. The only way to really "make a living" on the roads is through the marathon.

But it's not like track meets are paying a ton for her services, so the answer to your final question is definitely yes.

Is there no prize money elsewhere?

Old Roadie:

You and me, both. Seems to me it was possible to run road races every couple weeks, then use that fitness to run two or three marathons a year, or even jump in a long track race during the summer.

Now, it's all about training in ideal conditions for most of a year, then attempting one race if all seems right. All, in the case of BEST US MARATHON RUNNER EVER GALEN RUPP to run a 2:10.

Tell you what, if the idea is for runners to RUN, and fast runners to RACE, we're missing something here.

Hurl wrote:

Old Roadie:

You and me, both. Seems to me it was possible to run road races every couple weeks, then use that fitness to run two or three marathons a year, or even jump in a long track race during the summer.

Now, it's all about training in ideal conditions for most of a year, then attempting one race if all seems right. All, in the case of BEST US MARATHON RUNNER EVER GALEN RUPP to run a 2:10.

Tell you what, if the idea is for runners to RUN, and fast runners to RACE, we're missing something here.

Not to derail the OP any further, but my "old school" sensibilities (sensitivities?) lament what distance running/racing has become. It seems to start as early as high school...kids (and some coaches) worried more about training and recovery than racing. The way this generation acts, you'd think they're being asked to race a 10K three times a week.

I'm sure the younger guys on this board are already lining up to flame me for my outdated view on the subject, but I don't care. I used to love running three track meets a week in high school, and every weekend in college. I would not have much fun being a competitive distance runner nowadays. You train to race, not to just train some more.

Imho, jordan should just focus on NYC marathon this fall. Financially, there would be no bigger jackpot given endorsement money that would surely follow.

Hi Old roadie,

I know right? Train to train better, train faster. ( that's why I'm not racing as much..hehe)...

But for Jordan, I think , and this is only me thinking. She just maybe tired mentally and emotionally. From what I read about her training, the little that is shared and rightly so. I gathered from all of the 25 milers she did and trained for the months leading up to her spectacular debut all pistons aren't fired up yet. She thought and thought and worked and worked hard for Boston. She was excited and ran enthusiastically and is not completely recovered. I found it a little tiring to get geared up for another race after a huge effort. I learned to have something to look forward too as to take the pressure off. I didn't do it with intention of doing that, I found that while training for something I looked towards the goal after it.

I think she needs more time.

Now back in the day when a lot of us trained through races, though we always ran faster than training. I think we got harder, tougher in a way. We also, I think, got more accustomed to racing.

What I did, was to pick a few races that I truly wanted at do swell in. They were usually Two marathons, one in the Spring (Boston) and one in the Fall. Old standby was Ocean State and Honolulu.

Races outside of the main marathons were for bread and butter, experience. Though you had to do a marathon to get invited to race...crazy.

Today I think is different. Instant media, results, everything is so out there..quickly. I imagine there's pressure in area we didn't have to experience. She'll come around.

She's a light for running.

Speaking of which, just got an email from Billy whom I chat with quite a bit (he's the same..lol) He ran 3 10k's in a week....lol!!!! Oh goodnessgraciousglory.

It's all because people think that racing is different now because times are faster and athletes more specialized. But that only matters if you are actually winning.

If you are no faster than an athlete of 30 years ago then you might as well race like one. For 90% of athletes they are simply not going to be a "modern" specialist athlete. EVER.

The current thinking is like saying the 800m is now a sprint so EVERY 800 meter runner should run it like that.

I think when Jordan was young she had more reserves, and now that she is so thin, she doesn't. I think you're right, she is still recovering from her big effort at Boston. I also think she is somewhat fragile emotionally (always has been?). I feel a lot of empathy for her because she lost her Mom and she has been through a lot, and it adds up. It's kind of a razor's edge: train train train and barely have enough left to compete. Maybe that's what it's like when you're on the fragile end of the spectrum.

I hope she builds up more reserves before taking on big races, and it is smart she has dropped out of USAs. Someday maybe she will be rock solid again once she revokers balance.

First, a lot of the top americans do run a fair number of road races. Just the Salazar camp and a few others are rich enough not to have to do it and focus on the big payouts at big marathons.

Second, most medium-big road races in the USA that offer money are dominated by Kenyans. Even the best americans struggle to compete. Like don't expect to show up in the middle of a hard training block and take home 5 grand just for showing up.

I'd be curious what the inflation-adjusted prize money was like back in the 70s and 80s.

I'm a coach and I don't subscribe to frequent racing as they did in the old days. If you run a race correctly, you should be going to the well. And you can only do that so many times within a given time frame.

living on crumbs wrote:

Even the best americans struggle to compete. Like don't expect to show up in the middle of a hard training block and take home 5 grand just for showing up.

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If they can't win mid level road races against B Kenyans why save themselves to "participate" in a bigger race?.

25 -30 years ago Jon Sinclair(the quintessential road whore) said he would retire and get a real job when he could no longer clear 50 grand a year.