Clayton Murphy to run 800 and 1500 at USAs.

So this would be his schedule:

Thursday June 22:

4:00 pm 800 - 1st round

7:44 pm 1500 - 1st round/semis

Friday June 23:

8:11 pm 800 - semis

Saturday June 24:

2:41 pm 1500m - Final

Sunday June 25:

1:20 pm 800m - Final

Doable schedule but both events get hurt by the double.

He'll have a lot of racing before each final.

Star wrote:

So this would be his schedule:

Thursday June 22:

4:00 pm 800 - 1st round

7:44 pm 1500 - 1st round/semis

Friday June 23:

8:11 pm 800 - semis

Saturday June 24:

2:41 pm 1500m - Final

Sunday June 25:

1:20 pm 800m - Final

Doable schedule but both events get hurt by the double.

He'll have a lot of racing before each final.

If Clayton makes the team in both events but doesn't win either he'll be lambasted by all the Centro and Brazier jock sniffers. It will be epic.

He should concentrate on the 800 one more year, build his strength and go for both in '19 and '20. It's likely Murphy and his coach are doing this as part of his development, looking at getting the feel for a lot of racing in a short period of time.

Murph's a competitor. He could just focus on the 800 but he wants to challenge the REINING OLYMPIC 1500 CHAMP.

Clayton Murphy is going to runin himself.

he's already doing too much.

stick to the 8. and lower your 400m time.

Not sure what you people are smoking (can i get some?) But I think he is a lock in both. It is an off year and he is challenging himself. I like it and it makes him extremely marketable in the eyes of sponsors.

On that note I think Brazier is a bust. Great athlete. Great time trialer. Just cursed.

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Not sure what you people are smoking (can i get some?) But I think he is a lock in both. It is an off year and he is challenging himself. I like it and it makes him extremely marketable in the eyes of sponsors.

On that note I think Brazier is a bust. Great athlete. Great time trialer. Just cursed.

Brazier just got 3rd in a Diamond League 800m with NO international racing experience. Not to mention he was closing hard on 2nd place.

I wish I was as big a bust as Brazier.

Dave Wottle did the same in '72. If anyone can pull it off, it's Murphy.

You again with your prs. wrote:

This must not be the place wrote:

Not sure what you people are smoking (can i get some?) But I think he is a lock in both. It is an off year and he is challenging himself. I like it and it makes him extremely marketable in the eyes of sponsors.

On that note I think Brazier is a bust. Great athlete. Great time trialer. Just cursed.

Brazier just got 3rd in a Diamond League 800m with NO international racing experience. Not to mention he was closing hard on 2nd place.

I wish I was as big a bust as Brazier.

I think Brazier is doing well right now. Murphy and Brazier kinda contrast in how they have progressed but they're also comparable.

Both had a breakout performance in the 800m, even if yeah they were already decently fast (Olympic trials for Murphy, you could argue NCAAs and/or his 1:45 indoors for Brazier) and then they diverged in how they went from there. Brazier peaked for NCAAs and/or had bad tactics and bombed out of the OT, while Murphy went on to win Olympic bronze in the 3rd fastest American time ever. Glory for Murphy, sadness for Brazier. It's easy to call Brazier a bust now because it seems like Murphy overshadows him at times but really, without Murphy in context, Brazier's not doing bad.

On another note, what do you mean by an off year? I would consider 2018 an off year because there are no world championships or Olympics.

No Respect wrote:

Dave Wottle did the same in '72. If anyone can pull it off, it's Murphy.

I am super psyched the Murphy is attempting this. Going for legend status in year #2 as a pro.

Wottle didn't win both in 1972. Wohlhuter pulled it off at the 1976 Trials, beating Matt Centrowitz Sr to complete the double.

Hasn't been done at more compact USATFs since 1933. - Glenn Cunningham

longjack wrote:

Clayton Murphy is going to runin himself.

I think you just coined a term.

He's going to ruin himself by runnin' too much.

Hence, he's going to runin himself.

longjack wrote:

Clayton Murphy is going to runin himself.

he's already doing too much.

stick to the 8. and lower your 400m time.

He spent all of is HS career running very little. He isnt going to burn himself up now.

Back in the day people actually did both events (800/1500) at major championships - Coe/Cram/Ovett even Snell, etc.

Mahkloufi doing both (abandoned 800 in 2012 due to injury?) is rather refreshing to see, as I think this is one reason for the stagnation in the 1500 event in recent years. While others may be more 1500/5000 types - El G (2004), and I would put Lagat in that category as well (even though he didn't actually double in those events). The 400/800 double is a more rare double these days (El Caballo in 1976, when the 800 was run in lanes to 300m), and even the 400m, like the 800m as well, has become a singular event in the main.

Some may look at it as over-racing or even greed, but I like what Murphy is doing - no reason why he can't be truly world class in both events. He is young and getting experience now at both is good - already has an Olympic medal so why not?

Generally speaking the "natural" doubles are 100/200; 200/400; 800/1500; 5000/10000. Even so, 400/800 and 1500/5000 are rarer but still possible (as elucidated above). If given the opportunity Emmanuel Korir (UTEP) might do well at both 400 and 800, although the latter would be his signature event.

Lagat did double 1500/5000 and won double gold at Osaka 2007.

And Makh won double silver in 800/1500 just last year in Rio.

longjack wrote:

Clayton Murphy is going to runin himself.

he's already doing too much.

stick to the 8. and lower your 400m time.

Doesn't he have some 46.X 4x4 splits to his name? That's probably better 400 speed than almost all of the 800/1500 types out there. Brazier certainly has better 400 speed, but I would argue that we should expect that since he's more of a 400/800 guy.

why doesn't he just say he's in eugene bc he's dating ariana washington? it is common knowledge on the boards at this point

What's the meaning of running 1500 at USAs? I wouldn't do it, it's a tricky move. At the moment I think he would be a strong candidate for gold at 800m at WC. As for 1500, he could be very dangerous in a tactical race... like the one won by Centro in Rio, but I hope the likes of Kiprop, Manangoi and Kwemoi won't let the race become so tactical. I don't think he is in the same league of Kwemoi.

claynari wrote:

why doesn't he just say he's in eugene bc he's dating ariana washington? it is common knowledge on the boards at this point

It's also common knowledge that Clayton will end up in Beaverton with NOP. Not sure why those threads were deleted from the boards a few weeks ago. Some very interesting career twists in progress for this guy.

45. splits for Murphy.

He is taking risks to reach for greatness. You have got to like that. It will be very tough to beat both Brazier/Berian (assuming he is even competing and in shape) in the 8 and Centro in the 1500. I think that our best team in the 15 might be Centro, Murphy, and Centro's teammate, Eric Jenkins, who is doing the 5 instead. Makh Daddy proved the double can be done in the Olympics at a very high level. Murphy knows that in a sit and kick race in the 1500m, he will have more speed than anyone else in the field, so it is not a bad idea to get two shots at a medal at World's this year.

I think he wins the 800m handily, but second to Centro in the 1500m.