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Yes. Let's move on. We will never agree.

Yes, he signed the form; that has never been questioned. But, you seem to be in the dunce camp with Vroon and Looney that can't seem to understand that all he was agreeing to was to be not paid BY WCS for his coaching position AT BHS. Duncan had a lot more paperwork to fill out, and there was nothing on his forms that informed him of policies about not receiving compensation outside of WCS. If this volunteer language applied to others who coached, then it would be on their forms, as well.

Most people who can think, (that excludes you), realize that on a VOLUNTEER form, he signs it, so WCS can cover their butt, if anyone would ever imply that they worked and did not receive compensation. If you look at Duncan's forms, he initials to acknowledge all the policies that have been disclosed to him, then signs at the bottom. Nice try. Take a night class to sharpen your mind a bit. You really have some gaps in your thinking.

No, this discussion is also very much about the AD. The district blamed Avery for violating policies, but it was the AD and Principal, whose job it was to know the policies, that did NOT know them, and by their ignorance, led Avery into a position where policies could be violated. If you can't get that, you are clueless. Really, it is not that you can't get it, you just choose not to because you ARE in the cult.

Furthermore, Seigenthaler and Keidel KNEW that Avery AND KINDER were not suppose to use the track. The AD knowingly violated that policy. That is why, in 2014, the Franklin coach did not file a complaint against Avery, (because he has a brain), but filed a complaint against Seigenthaler for violating the policy. I know you are really slow, so I will repeat it. The Franklin coach filed a complaint in 2014, NOT against Avery, for using the track, but AGAINST SEIGENTHALER for violating the policy.

Avery says he was given permission to use the track. But again, those of us who can think, realize that if Seigenthaler allowed Avery to use the track, that constitutes permission. And when you have permission, you are not in violation.

Not sure what's tougher to keep straight, sandifer's arguments or all his usernames.

RecognizerOfHurtButts wrote:

Man, somebody is REALLY butthurt over B'wood's success!! 10 pages on two threads, holy heck..

More like over Avery's success

Now, who was it that said the following? - "I think it would be extremely detrimental to your group to ask someone WHO DOESN'T TRAIN WITH YOU OR PAY YOU to participate in the DMR, basically handling some kid an all American medal."

This sounds like a parent trying to use the fact that he has paid Avery, to persuade Avery to put his slower son in the race. Avery, unlike this person, has integrity, and rejected the notion.

Well, it is the same parent who wrote this to the Principal and AD, less than three weeks after he stopped paying Avery for two or three years. - "This payment to Guy Avery by many athletes is a violation of that policy." So, this parent has, himself, been violating the policy. Why would this parent violate the policy for a number of years, then blame Avery for violating the policy. Seems he is every bit as guilty as he claims Avery is. No Credibility!

Then, in a formal complaint letter to TSSAA and the district, the guy writes, "We have been involved in a very defined 'pay to play' program..."

Well, yeah, you just tried to propose pay to play and got rejected by Avery, and now you are accusing him of pay to play. Come on, someone knows who this is, right?

Thanks for the laugh. No Cred.

Is ignorance and niavity a valid excuse in any court of law. No. Also, reading what he signed he agreed not to receive compensation for his duties as a volunteer coach. It never mentions from whom. He volunteered to coach runners at Brentwood HS and accepting payment in any matter from anyone, violates that agreement. Yes the school should have told him that. Yes the school messed up. But no it doesn't absolve him from having violated rules and policy. Ignorance to rules has never worked. No one ever told me I can't cheat on a test. No one told me I can't speed. I didn't see the stop sign. Not one of those defenses works. If you think those defenses should work for this guy I feel sorry for your entitled ass and can't wait for it to bite you.

And let's say the school said "Hey, we know you get paid by parents. We are getting complaints that you are at meets coaching our kids and using our facilities. Sign as a volunteer and you can get paid by the parents and use our facilities and attend meets. Don't worry about the rules that do not allow that." Let's compare that to any other aspect of life. Once complaints happen and outsiders find out, you all get punished. Avery isn't a victim here, he is a violator. And anyone ignorant and niave enough to not realize they can't volunteer at a school and then negotiate/seek/solicit payments from parents is an idiot. Ignorance is bliss, until facts and reality smack you in the face.

Big Cur wrote:

Is ignorance and niavity a valid excuse in any court of law. No. Also, reading what he signed he agreed not to receive compensation for his duties as a volunteer coach. It never mentions from whom. He volunteered to coach runners at Brentwood HS and accepting payment in any matter from anyone, violates that agreement. Yes the school should have told him that. Yes the school messed up. But no it doesn't absolve him from having violated rules and policy. Ignorance to rules has never worked. No one ever told me I can't cheat on a test. No one told me I can't speed. I didn't see the stop sign. Not one of those defenses works. If you think those defenses should work for this guy I feel sorry for your entitled ass and can't wait for it to bite you.

Compensation from WCS. Poorly written document. Wouldn't hold up in court.

Move along now, move along.

Now let's talk the AD/Head coach.

I am betting he enjoyed the success of Guy Avery. Made him look great. After all , he kept the trophies. Where are they displayed????

Big Cur, who do you think wrote all the stuff I quoted in the previous post? Wouldn't you agree that the guy is a huge hypocrite?

No, ignorance and naivety would not be a valid excuse in court. But, in your example, there actually was a stop sign, there are speed limit signs posted, and we were taught to drive and know the rules to get our licenses.

If you are going to talk legal, this case is more like entrapment, where others set up another, who would not have committed a crime, otherwise. That person's case would have been thrown out of court, like Avery's situation should have been. He was entrapped by an AD and Principal who were grossly negligent concerning policies they are responsible to know.

Knowing how painfully slow you are, I will repeat for the 20th time, it is a WCS form that he signed. So, it means that he is agreeing to not receive compensation FROM THEM; thus, ta dah, the VOLUNTEER FORM! He agrees that volunteering means he will not receive compensation FROM THEM for his role AT BHS. No idiot would expand that to mean he would not receive funds for coaching clients, privately, except those who are in your cult.

Don't you have a night class to go to? Sharpen up. How about taking contract law, like I have. Do that and come back after the semester and we can have a good laugh about how uninformed your comments have been.

And the legal standard in situations like this is that of a reasonable person. Would a reasonable person volunteer to coach a team of runners and then offer additional guidance and coaching to runners on the team he volunteered to coach for an additional fee? If a reasonable person was coaching runners who were previously paying him, and then volunteers to coach those runners at their school, would they still request those payments from the students or not based on their volunteer status? I would say no...

Big Cur wrote:

And let's say the school said "Hey, we know you get paid by parents. We are getting complaints that you are at meets coaching our kids and using our facilities. Sign as a volunteer and you can get paid by the parents and use our facilities and attend meets. Don't worry about the rules that do not allow that." Let's compare that to any other aspect of life. Once complaints happen and outsiders find out, you all get punished. Avery isn't a victim here, he is a violator. And anyone ignorant and niave enough to not realize they can't volunteer at a school and then negotiate/seek/solicit payments from parents is an idiot. Ignorance is bliss, until facts and reality smack you in the face.

He wasn't getting paid by parents for volunteer coaching at BHS practices. Not going to explain this again. Go back and read the previous posts. Sure are enough of them. Or don't.

I can't fix stupid.

Also look at the case of Mary Cain. She worked with a private coach in Alberto Salazar, and left her high school team. Look at Galen Rupp. Alberto wasn't paid while he coached him at his high school. The fact that Avery thinks he can get paid privately and have the kids compete for their high school is truly pompous.

Stupid? I laid it out for you. Do you live i Tennessee and want to discuss it in person?

Can't fix stupid. Good one, and so true. So, Big Cur, stop skirting my question. Don't you think the guy I quoted in my previous post is a total hypocrite? He proposes pay to play, gets rejected, then complains about pay to play in the program, yet, by paying the coach, was in violation of the same policies he is now on this thread accusing Avery of violating? Come on, he is a total hypocrite, right?

Ok, you have moved on to what a reasonable person would do. You get points for strategy; moving to a different legal standard after getting slam dunked regarding the volunteer form. Good move.

Unfortunately, it really is not about what a reasonable person would do because that is very subjective. Let's just agree that you will never convince me, or anyone else who is outside of your cult, (those who can think), that Avery knowingly violated the two policies. The evidence is just not in your favor. And, at this point, it really does not matter because he is not a coach at BHS and everyone is happy. The good runners get to continue training with a good coach and the school is more than thrilled to have their two good runners and JV runners.

The only thing that matters to me is to hear your opinion about whether the guy I quoted is a total hypocrite or not. It also matters to me that others know that the AD and Principal are solely responsible for this mess, besides the hypocrite quoted above.

Avery was a volunteer coach at Brentwood High School that was paid privately by parents to give extra coaching and guidance to certain student athletes on the Brentwood High School team, while using Brentwood High School facilities. Does that sum it up last laugh? Does that sound like something that should be happening at a public school (or any school really)?

Big Cur wrote:

Stupid? I laid it out for you. Do you live i Tennessee and want to discuss it in person?

Why meet in person? You aren't understanding it here, I doubt that will change.

Many have laid it out for you.

Sure. I would love to talk about it in person. Where do you want to meet? First, answer my question about whether the guy I quoted is a total hypocrite, or not. Come on grow some and answer.

I read what he signed and it states he cannot receive payment for coaching. Doesn't say from whom. Also the reasonable person standard is used in courts daily, it isn't some matter of fiction. As far as how this came to light, it doesn't matter. Does it matter why whistleblowers blow the whistle? All that matters is he got caught.