Official 2017 D3 Cross Country Thread

Well it's going to happen again so it's not like there's no point in discussing it now. Pathetic performance by IGC, only matched GOC's speed over the last 1.7K, and everyone was talking about IGC outkicking GOC.

I was right, GOC runs away from IGC early on and takes the W with ease.

On the other hand, my boy Otto gagged on Veltre's cok today, very sad to see. Veltre honestly putting out a better performance than IGC race-wise, IGC raced pathetically (but still beat out Veltre I'll grant that).

York has wins over Rowan and auto qualifier Rhodes. No bad losses so put them in especially if you think Emory and NYu are going who both lost to teams York beat

Here's a shot at determining At-Larges after today (Formatting copied from eariler post:

Wash U (Midwest)

Eau Claire (Midwest)

Stout (Midwest)

Johns Hopkins (Mideast)

York (Mideast)

Wartburg (Central)

Middlebury (N.E)

Williams (N.E)

Bates (N.E)

Ohio Northern (Great Lakes)

Occidental (West)

CMS (West)

Emory (South)

RIT (Atlantic)

Rowan (Atlantic)

NYU (Atlantic)

Midwest is self-explanatory for the top few. NYU gets Atlantic 5 bids via beating U. Chicago @ conference meet and Brandeis at Conference meet, as well as W&L at Paul Short. The West will still send it's ranked teams despite the UC-Santa Barbara upset today. Ohio Northern, York, and Emory snag bids based off of where they were ranked nationally going into this week.

When did York ever beat Rowan’s or Rhodes? York lost to Rhodes earlier

Wesleyan's teepee though...

D3expertMorelikeD3idiot wrote:

When did York ever beat Rowan’s or Rhodes? York lost to Rhodes earlier

Oct 14 at Rowan's inter region border meet.

Took 3rd behind Haverford and Carnegie Mellon

4th was Rhodes, 5th Rowan

A couple coaches and teams wheeled it; it's about the same (short) distance it's always been. All other conditions were prime for fast times. 20-25 seconds (100-150m) short is a good assessment.

D3expertindeed wrote:

D3expertMorelikeD3idiot wrote:

When did York ever beat Rowan’s or Rhodes? York lost to Rhodes earlier

Oct 14 at Rowan's inter region border meet.

https://www.tfrrs.org/results/xc/11724.html#94028

Took 3rd behind Haverford and Carnegie Mellon

4th was Rhodes, 5th Rowan

Not really sure you know what you're talking about...

At the Inter-Regional Border Battle (Rowan Meet):

1. Haverford: 29

2. Carnegie Mellon: 62

3. York: 132

4. Rhodes: 143

5. Rowan: 202

He knows exactly what he is talking about

USTFCCCCCCA wrote:

Here's a shot at determining At-Larges after today (Formatting copied from eariler post:

Wash U (Midwest)

Eau Claire (Midwest)

Stout (Midwest)

Johns Hopkins (Mideast)

York (Mideast)

Wartburg (Central)

Middlebury (N.E)

Williams (N.E)

Bates (N.E)

Ohio Northern (Great Lakes)

Occidental (West)

CMS (West)

Emory (South)

RIT (Atlantic)

Rowan (Atlantic)

NYU (Atlantic)

Midwest is self-explanatory for the top few. NYU gets Atlantic 5 bids via beating U. Chicago @ conference meet and Brandeis at Conference meet, as well as W&L at Paul Short. The West will still send it's ranked teams despite the UC-Santa Barbara upset today. Ohio Northern, York, and Emory snag bids based off of where they were ranked nationally going into this week.

Agree with this. I think Nebraska Wesleyan would have a case if they had better regular season wins. But not beating anyone in the late September/October meets is likely going to be deciding factor of them not getting a bid.

A quick look at the Principia "pre-natty" meet shows that Wartburg beat Ohio Northern, UW-Eau Claire and Occidental pretty easily. With Nebraska Wesleyan being only 10 points behind Wartburg @ regionals, it seems that they would be in before those teams. Also @ Principia, Wartburg was just a few points behind Calvin, a regional winner. N. Wesleyan is in.

Here’s an link to the correct results from Rowan’s website. York did beat Rowan and Rhodes. http://pioneertiming.com/results/2017/CrossCountry/10_15_Rowan_Border_Battle/

I think this is on except Nebraska Wesleyan gets the last spot over Bates. Bates has no out of region wins just like Nebraska Wesleyan. Nebraska Wesleyan was 10 pts back from a very good Wartburg team that has run well all year. Bates is much farther back from Williams and Williams isn't as good as Wartburg. Also I think if the committee had a tie they would go with the 4th team from a region over a 5th team.

18th at Mideast, 25:48. One spot away from qualifying for nationals. Not too shabby.

Correction: 19th

One change wrote:

Bark wrote:

Agree with this. I think Nebraska Wesleyan would have a case if they had better regular season wins. But not beating anyone in the late September/October meets is likely going to be deciding factor of them not getting a bid.

I think this is on except Nebraska Wesleyan gets the last spot over Bates. Bates has no out of region wins just like Nebraska Wesleyan. Nebraska Wesleyan was 10 pts back from a very good Wartburg team that has run well all year. Bates is much farther back from Williams and Williams isn't as good as Wartburg. Also I think if the committee had a tie they would go with the 4th team from a region over a 5th team.

A lot of assumptions being made here.

1.) Wartburg > Williams is not clear cut. Both lost to MIT later in the season by decent margins. MIT was the only common late season opponent.

2.) Taking 4th in one region vs. 5th in another is not going to be heavily factored, especially when the 5th place finish comes from a perennially strong region.

3.) Although not out of region, Bates did beat Williams at NESCAC. There is nothing that says a big win has to come again an out of region opponent.

The only thing going for Nebraska Wesleyan is proximity to Wartburg. It might be enough, but I doubt it.

Those that think the Midwest regional wasn't short probably think the Michigan conf meet was legit as well. XC is about racing head to head so it doesn't really matter. If there was a mistake just own it.

https://www.tfrrs.org/results/xc/11711.html

I'm a guy who had a massive PR yesterday at Saukie. Saukie is fast, and these times were mind blowing. I didn't believe mine when I finished. That being said, we ran the course Friday with 2 GPS watches. One of them had 4.94 miles, the other has 4.97. So maybe it was a little short, but there's no way it was 300-400m short. I really don't want to believe that I can PR by over a minute and still be a nobody, but that's how the cookie crumbles sometimes. Does anyone have splits for every mile or K from Midwest this year?

GPS watches consistently overestimate the length of courses - what you just said make me very confident it is at least 200m long.

Race organizers have to deal with people complaining about races being long all the time now - mostly because people’s watches overestimate the length.