Most fun teams in DIII
1. Pomona
2. Geneseo
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69. North Central
70. CMS
Most fun teams in DIII
1. Pomona
2. Geneseo
...
...
69. North Central
70. CMS
Rowan inter-Regional results:
Final Standings
1
Haverford
29
2-3-4-8-12(13)(36)
2
Carnegie Mellon
62
5-10-11-16-20(28)(35)
3
York (Pa.)
132
14-15-25-38-40(73)(97)
4
Rhodes
143
6-18-23-31-65(81)
5
Rowan
202
1-21-46-64-70(76)(80)
6
Otterbein
205
19-34-44-47-61(85)(106)
7
Dickinson
222
9-30-37-69-77(78)(79)
8
Johns Hopkins
232
24-49-51-52-56(63)(75)
http://www.haverfordathletics.com/sports/mxc/2017-18/files/Border_Battle_2017.pdf
After Pre-nats weekend, with about a month to go, this is the rankings as I see it (These are not predictive of nationals, these are just where I see things currently as of October 15th).
1. NCC
2. Lacrosse
3. Haverford
4. Geneseo St.
5. Pomona
6. Amherst
7. Loras
8. Wash U
9. RPI
10. MIT
1. IGC- GS
2. Patel- NCC
3. Lau- EAU
4. Kingstedt- RIT
5. O'Connor- RPI
6. Reischling- Pomona
7. Veltre- Rowan
8. O'Gara- Wash U
9. Maloney- MIT
10. Gearinger- Haverford
NCC shows they're the class of the field and its not close. Lacrosse continues to roll despite not really having a front runner. Could see them doing what they've done the last few years at nationals, 1-5 close split but no all-americans. Haverford rolled the competition and have a great split with 2 legit studs, 2A and 2B for Lacross and Haverford. The rest of the pre-nat results showed a resurgence for Loras and showed a super close gap for teams like Wash U/MIT/ CNU/ John Hopkins/Calvin. Amherst looked good for the 2nd straight meet whereas RPI looking a bit concerning with that 1-5 (and 1-2 gap) growing every week, at nationals you'll get eaten alive with that big of a gap.
Individual wise, we basically got to see the top 3 duke it out at pre-nationals and was a super close race with IGC's kick giving him the edge. Curious to see how this will affect nationals since this race was super warm and nationals will probably have better weather, wouldn't be surprised to see Lau take it out from the gun and try and run away from everyone since he's now been outkicked here and last year in the 10k by Lamere and probably won't want to leave it to a kick again. Kingstedt and O'Connor continue to roll whereas Gearinger was only 3rd against teammate Wood and Rowan's Veltre who is putting together a pretty solid season.
With a month to go, I think we'll definitely see some changes come nationals, prenats was a good gauge but the weather makes it hard to predict since it will be apples and oranges come November 18th.
Bold Predictions:
1. NCC
2. Haverford
3. Lacrosse
4. Geneseo
1. Lau
2. IGC
3. Patel
4. O'Connor
5. Maloney
NCC runs away, 5 all-americans and wins by 100+ points. Haverford puts 2 in the top 15. IGC only AA for Geneseo, Lax with none. Lau runs 24:20, takes it from the beginning and wins by 10+ seconds. Maloney moves up since he had a late start to the season.
"Lau runs 24:20, takes it from the beginning and wins by 10+ seconds."
Going to come down to a kick. All 3 will come in between 24:15-24:25.
Scenario 1: Lau takes off early Patel sits like this weekend and they are too far away from IGC to win but he clips Lau at the line.
Patel 24:17 IGC 24:22 Lau 24:23
Scenario 2: Lau takes off early Patel sits like this weekend and they don't break IGC enough and he kicks them both down on final straight.
IGC 24:15 Patel 24:20 Lau 24:23
Scenario 3: Lau takes off early and breaks Patel and IGC but they run him down in the last K.
IGC 24:15 Patel 24:20 Lau 24:25
Lau's racing style is very predictable he will run from the front and at some point fall asleep mentally and get kick down. One hard move late in the race and he won't be able to respond. He isn't at the point in his career that he can run away from the field like Lamere.
This is interesting. There are 0 scenarios where Lau takes off with 2-4k to go and just runs away? The guy smashed Eau Claire's course record 2 weeks ago. A course that has seen Ian La mere (the year he ran 23:35 at nattys), Grant Wintheiser, Tim Nelson, Josh Thorson, and the list continues. I'm not saying its a shoe-in he will win because he doesn't have championship speed at the end, but 0 scenarios? My prediction:
1. IGC
2. Lau (but I could very easily see Lau get away from the field)
3. Someone random
4. Someone random
5. Patel
After the weekend this is my new mens ranking.
North Central is either unstoppable or other top teams at D3 Pre Nats just had so-so day.
Haverford may be better up top than La Crosse. But hard to say right now.
I just don't believe Pomona is that good but they continue to prove me wrong with solid performance.
Amherst defeats Williams for first time this millenia. They are solid but fall off fast.
Loras was biggest surprise of the weekend and should make biggest jump in rankings.
North Central
UW-La Crosse
Haverford
SUNY Geneseo
Pomona-Pitzer
RPI
Amherst
Loras
WashU
MIT
CNU
Johns Hopkins
Calvin
Carnegie Mellon
Wartburg
UW-Eau Claire
Williams
Occidental
UW-Stout
Ohio Northern
Middlebury
Bates
Rhodes:
UW-Platteville
St. Olaf
Rowan
Claremont MS
St. Lawrence
Emory
Albion
NYU
Carleton
Nebraska Wesleyan
Messiah
Conneticut College
York
Pacific Lutheran
Don’t get me wrong, lau is VERY good. He has had some very good performances. Not trying to take anything away from his course record. But times in cross country are as volatile as the stock market. Taking length of course, conditions/weather, conditions of course, and competition a guy who ran 24:30 one year and is faster the next year could run 25:00 for no reason. IGC, Patel, O’Connor and anyone else in the Nation probably straight up couldn’t run as fast as him but when it comes down to it I feel like Lau isn’t clutch. He has had some REALLY good national performances but nothing to say OMG about. He broke Lamere... that was F***ING crazy!! but he also didn’t win that race. The OMG moment went to the G.O.A.T that day. Lau is good, and will be in the top 3 which will be another great race by him. But there is no scenerio on this course of him winning. The course is tough enough that if he tries to break away he will gas himself on the hills. The only way he can win is by running away with a K to go but he doesn’t have that strength like IGC. Come track, I would bet my bank account he wins the 5k and 10k but it’s not track yet.
D3 has now entered the era of foreign talent leading the way. Patel will stake claim to the iron throne.
Don't bet your bank account he wins the 5k and 10k. Not even your hailed Lamere did that last year.
Not a knock on Lau, who may be a deserving favorite for both track events, but it's very hard.
But he did do that two years ago.. So I'm not seeing your point.
"69. North Central"
#nice
Lamere did it 2016 wrote:
But he did do that two years ago.. So I'm not seeing your point.
My point is that if you bet your bank account on something that happened only half the time with Lamere, you would probably regret it.
C is for cookie wrote:
Lamere did it 2016 wrote:But he did do that two years ago.. So I'm not seeing your point.
My point is that if you bet your bank account on something that happened only half the time with Lamere, you would probably regret it.
That is actually a good point. I must have misinterpreted what you said.
I agree! Lau could be one of the best D3 athletes ever to have not won a national individual title.
Lamere did it 2016 wrote:
C is for cookie wrote:My point is that if you bet your bank account on something that happened only half the time with Lamere, you would probably regret it.
That is actually a good point. I must have misinterpreted what you said.
I agree! Lau could be one of the best D3 athletes ever to have not won a national individual title.
GOAT to never win a title has to be Jordan Shilit.
https://www.tfrrs.org/athletes/2751377.htmlLa Mere was going up against some serious pure 5k types that stayed fresh for Saturday. Is there any 5k guys with that much speed that will wait and prey on a tired Lau? IGC maybe, but he will do the 1500m. Lau showed he can come back from a very hard 10k effort and still have something in the tank, I wouldn't bet my bank account, but I'd put $ on Lau doubling up if he stays healthy all the way to May.
Svetz! The people's champion
hot singles in your town wrote:
Lamere did it 2016 wrote:That is actually a good point. I must have misinterpreted what you said.
I agree! Lau could be one of the best D3 athletes ever to have not won a national individual title.
GOAT to never win a title has to be Jordan Shilit.
https://www.tfrrs.org/athletes/2751377.html
Woof, so does Haverford have a storied legacy of all-time great runners who don't end up winning individual national titles? Thinking of Charlie Marquardt in this sense. That is two phenomenal runners from the same school to not be able to pull it off.
https://www.tfrrs.org/athletes/4053546/Haverford/Charlie_Marquardt.htmlPatel if fresh in the 5k this outdoor could sit and kick on a tired Lau and beat him pretty easily in my opinion.
That was Amherst's fourth Little Three Championship in Men's XC since WWII: 1955, 1969, 1987, 2017. Wesleyan won sixteen times, but only once since 1966.
purelfowsixess wrote:
hot singles in your town wrote:GOAT to never win a title has to be Jordan Shilit.
https://www.tfrrs.org/athletes/2751377.htmlWoof, so does Haverford have a storied legacy of all-time great runners who don't end up winning individual national titles? Thinking of Charlie Marquardt in this sense. That is two phenomenal runners from the same school to not be able to pull it off.
https://www.tfrrs.org/athletes/4053546/Haverford/Charlie_Marquardt.html
Haverford National Champions under Tom Donnelly:
XC
1990: Seamus McElligott (1st)
2001: J.B. Haglund (1st)
2010: Anders Hulleberg (1st)
Indoors
1990: Seamus McElligott (1st, 5000m)
1991: Matt Leighninger (1st, 1500m)
1994: Aaron Curry (1st, 1500m)
1994: Karl Paranya (1st, 800m)
1995: Karl Paranya (1st, 800m)
1995: Karl Paranya (1st, 1500mm)
1996 Karl Paranya (1st, 1500m)
2002: Bielecki, Ward, Johnstone, Haglund (1st, DMR)
2013: Chris Stadler (1st, 5000m)
Outdoors
1981: Kevin Foley (1st, 1,500m)
1982: Kevin Foley (1st, 1,500m)
1983: Kevin Foley (1st, 1,500m)
1990: Seamus McElligott (1st, 5,000m)
1991: Seamus McElligott (1st, 5,000m)
1991: Matt Leighninger (1st, steeplechase
1995: Karl Paranya (1st, 800m)
1996: Karl Paranya (1st, 1,500m)
1997: Karl Paranya (1st, 800m)
1997: Karl Paranya (1st, 1,500m)
2002: J.B. Haglund (1st, 5,000m)
2002: J.B. Haglund (1st, 10,000m)
2014: Chris Stadler (1st, 5,000m)