2017 D3 Atlantic Region XC

Knight Time wrote:

Almost 24 hours until SUNY G Believe opens up and stomps on everyone! Who's ready! Let's GOOOOOO!!!! National champs this year!

Apparently they're holding out their top guys until pre-nationals, so don't get too excited. Not sure if this will mess up the national ranks/Atlantic region bids, but time will tell.

Not yet wrote:

Knight Time wrote:

Almost 24 hours until SUNY G Believe opens up and stomps on everyone! Who's ready! Let's GOOOOOO!!!! National champs this year!

Apparently they're holding out their top guys until pre-nationals, so don't get too excited. Not sure if this will mess up the national ranks/Atlantic region bids, but time will tell.

If this was true, which I'm sure it isn't, it wouldn't change bids for the region. 5 of the seven that eventually run at regionals have to run for it to count as wins or losses against out of region teams.

G-E-N-E-S-E-O LETS GO GENESEO!!!

The Blue Knights!!!!

Blue is so much better than purple, or red or brown!

Geneseo-Williams-MIT

Gonna go out on a limb too and say SLU over RPI

Results are up.

Geneseo didn't run two guys... they ran a workout around the course instead...

But they still won so feather in the cap to them.

RPI strong showing... or the NE teams all pooped the bed.

The region was helped a lot by this race.

The whole northeast is blistering hot today, perhaps it’s not what you think and people ran shit cause of the weather?Geneseo had their top guys run, sure they held off two but could be for different reasons than you might think. I dont think it was a “workout” and RPI gave Em a run for their money

Will.I.AMs.Slow wrote:

http://www.finishright.com

Results are up.

Geneseo didn't run two guys... they ran a workout around the course instead...

But they still won so feather in the cap to them.

RPI strong showing... or the NE teams all pooped the bed.

The region was helped a lot by this race.

Eh meh wrote:

The whole northeast is blistering hot today, perhaps it’s not what you think and people ran shit cause of the weather?

Geneseo had their top guys run, sure they held off two but could be for different reasons than you might think. I dont think it was a “workout” and RPI gave Em a run for their money

Will.I.AMs.Slow wrote:http://www.finishright.com

Results are up.

Geneseo didn't run two guys... they ran a workout around the course instead...

But they still won so feather in the cap to them.

RPI strong showing... or the NE teams all pooped the bed.

The region was helped a lot by this race.

I'm pretty confident Geneseo ran their full team... There's no one missing who should be an impact runner. Also, I'm pretty sure I saw a Geneseo kid go out too hard and peel off the course and drop out, so that may be the "workout" you're referring to.

Geneseo is good, but so is RPI. They're more or less equivalent right now.

Will.I.AMs.Slow wrote:

http://www.finishright.com

Results

The region was helped a lot by this race.

Only if you mean RPI will move up in the rankings. The only thing that helps the region is the non auto teams beating people. The top 2 teams beating people mean nothing. The Midwest had 4 teams that were top 6 last year but the 5th team didn't beat anyone all year so still didn't get in. Last year the Atlantic got so many teams because of all those head to head wins at the Rowan meet. Unfortunately for the region many of the contenders aren't really racing out of region teams besides maybe at Paul Short (TCNJ- Paul Short, St Lawrence- Paul Short, only significant win today was Dickinson, NYU- Paul Short though UAA meet they get other regions, RIT- none). Strange to see so few teams racing good out of region teams two weeks before conferences. Looks like a few top teams are going to prenats but many are not racing or going to Rochester (looks like only 1 out of region nationally ranked team going there). Only Oneonta, Ramapo, and RPI going to Conn College (to race mostly the same teams from Williams) and Rowan at their own meet look like they are racing anyone that can help the region.

Eh meh wrote:

The whole northeast is blistering hot today, perhaps it’s not what you think and people ran shit cause of the weather?

Geneseo had their top guys run, sure they held off two but could be for different reasons than you might think. I dont think it was a “workout” and RPI gave Em a run for their money

Geneseo had two guys on the course before the race working out. The guys that were in the race were racing. Not sure how the two that were held will affect anything but they do have a bit more potential than these results would indicate.

Also, while I'm sure the heat slowed things down, the course seemed a bit long, last mile particularly. Changing the course every year can screw things up, don't read into the times too much and take today as a W for the AR

I believe that one of the Geneseo runners who was doing a workout was Sean McAneny. I could not tell who the other kids was though. I would definitely say that the Atlantic region had a solid showing at PVC. RPI may move up a few spots in the national poll but one thing that concerns me is their gap from Sean O'Connor to their third runner. Solid showing from SLU. I would expect them to be higher up in the regional rankings and finally into the national ranking this week. Any relevant AR teams run at other meets this weekend?

What about the gap of Geneseo 3-4? Pretty similar to RPI's 2-3. RPI 5th beat out Geneseo's 5th by a spot. RPI also has the benefit of two freshman in their first 8k ever in their top 5. Bound to be improvement from there.

Atlantic Region Observer wrote:

I believe that one of the Geneseo runners who was doing a workout was Sean McAneny. I could not tell who the other kids was though. I would definitely say that the Atlantic region had a solid showing at PVC. RPI may move up a few spots in the national poll but one thing that concerns me is their gap from Sean O'Connor to their third runner. Solid showing from SLU. I would expect them to be higher up in the regional rankings and finally into the national ranking this week. Any relevant AR teams run at other meets this weekend?

from what I can tell, the 3 runners from Geneseo that I don't see in the results are San McAneny (25:51 freshman last year), Jackson Tate (25:56, 15:01, SUNYAC 10k champ last year), and Matt Jorgenson (25:17 last year). Geneseo is a lot better than they showed at PVC given these three are healthy and run up to their ability. SLU helped out the region by beating Dickinson, expect them to be better too once Sidi learns how to run

Nice try, but clearly the Sean kid is injured or returning from injury (no results after his first indoor race), Matt Jorgeson has been at Geneseo since 2013, so I really doubt that he is even on the team. Also his 25:17 was at Geneseo's home course, where everyone ran questionably fast times. His 188th and 255th finishes at nations show pretty clearly that he and the other kid will be NON-FACTORS on the Geneseo team. The only one I have no clue about is Jackson Tate who is probably also injured or something.

I don't see why you think Geneseo would leave out runners from a big meet like Purple Valley where they ran their top guys like IGC and Alex Burks. Clearly Geneseo is just trying to hide the fact that they aren't as good as they think they are behind all of this "we're sitting people out" stuff. RPI and Geneseo have both shown us what they've got, and my money is on the team that isn't making excuses to end up winning the region and for the other to go home DEVASTATED.

Tate went down at 3+ mile mark with a heat related issue.

Saying you're the SUNYAC 10k champ is like kissing your sister.

Ghost of Slade wrote:

Saying you're the SUNYAC 10k champ is like kissing your sister.

In the sense that...?

123456789 wrote:

Ghost of Slade wrote:

Saying you're the SUNYAC 10k champ is like kissing your sister.

In the sense that...?

It might have felt good to you but it is nothing to brag about.

In all seriousness, the guy is an 18-19 year old who won his conference 10k, no need to tear him down about it. That said, it doesn't make him a useful guy at nationals either. let's wait until he finishes a race and then maybe it's worth talking about.

Lots of good AR performances this weekend. There's no reason to dwell on one guy who didn't have a good day.

Better topic: Sean O'Connor finishes right on top of the faster O'Connor. Gotta be a good sign for RPI.

The 1-2 RPI punch is definitely something to talk about, not to mention their younger freshman talent. They've been running well out of the gate, no doubt they'll improve.

Geneseo put up a strong performance, but as mentioned before by Granola, their 4-7 is seemingly weaker than RPI's 4-7. Their 2 runners that did the workout don't seem to be impact runners, but their 1-2-3 punch is strong enough that they only need to focus on their back end, SUNY G has always been known for their depth.

At this point the JPD / mileage overlap is key. Rumors are RPI's mileage is high but their JPD is struggling (having smaller dicks doesn't help). IGC has been known to have a stronger JPD taper than most, and he's got to be giving the rest of the team advice on how to improve. The fight for the Atlantic region is going to be entirely dependent on how much the OConnors are jerking it and how well they taper. If they manage to do it right like they did last year, Geneseo could be facing a decent upset.

Anyone have insight into the JPD training philosophy of RPI v Geneseo? At this point there's no other competitive teams unless Otto and Bailey get their shit together.

Geneseo goes solely for volume of JPDs. Since they're a public school they can't afford premium accounts like RPI, who focus more on the quality of their jerks. I've heard tale of Genny kids surpass double digit jerks while still in their summer build. I've recently received information that Coach Lynch is trying to find a way to make the O'Connor twins climax last longer so they can get more out of each session, but preliminary research hasn't been particularly fruitful.

It would appear that RPIs freshman class is still coming off of their high school JPD levels (which, lets face it, are always higher than collegiate levels), which explains RPIs depth right now. We'll see how Geneseo responds.

Even then, that team isn't good past those two guys.