How fast would elites be if they all had to work 9-5?

I think Khalid Khannouchi ran to and from work while working in London. He ran the marathon world record and beat Haile and Tergat. I guess it depends on the athletes, some need the whole day for recovery and drills etc while others perform as long as they get the miles in.

Yekfkdk wrote:

Like a normal desk job 9-5

Derek Clayton ran either 2:08:33 or 2:09:36 depending on the accuracy of the 2:08's course. Ron Hill ran 2:09:28. Ian Thompson did 2:09:12, I believe it was 12. Bill Rodgers was working full time when he ran 2:09:55. If any of them had had pacemakers they might have managed to have gone a bit faster. So clearly sub 2:10 minimum.

HRE wrote:

Yekfkdk wrote:

Like a normal desk job 9-5

Derek Clayton ran either 2:08:33 or 2:09:36 depending on the accuracy of the 2:08's course. Ron Hill ran 2:09:28. Ian Thompson did 2:09:12, I believe it was 12. Bill Rodgers was working full time when he ran 2:09:55. If any of them had had pacemakers they might have managed to have gone a bit faster. So clearly sub 2:10 minimum.

Yeah, but... no... but... yeah... oh... OK I guess we all suck then... *runs away crying (runs away very slowly, 19min 5k)*

Most elite runners would be even faster and have longer shelf lives if they trained less. The optimal amount of training is much less than what most people think.

I always chuckle at these threads. People don't understand that warm up processes, training, proper recovery, massage and physio, general strength, media obligations, professional correspondence, schedule/travel/etc planning and any other related tasks all make up part of a professional runner's day.

How many world class surgeons, venture capitalists, attorneys, or even run-of-the-mill cable technicians or landscapers are running 80-120 mpw?

What if Lebron had a real job outside the NBA? Or maybe the Yankees bullpen should deliver pizza when they're not on the mound.

There are plenty of aspiring runners that probably ought to move on and get 'real jobs,' but their choices are their prerogative, and the people making teams and sustaining high levels of performance aren't moonlighting and absolutely shouldn't be.

What's your point? I really cannot tell.

Yekfkdk wrote:

Like a normal desk job 9-5

Like Yuki Kawauchi.

Preaux wrote:

How many world class surgeons, venture capitalists, attorneys, or even run-of-the-mill cable technicians or landscapers are running 80-120 mpw?

Aside from the cable technicians and landscapers, those people don't have 9-5 jobs. They work way more than 40hrs/wk and their schedules tend to be more irregular.

Steve Jones ran 2:07 while being in the Royal Air Force. That's faster than any other Brit, either with or without a full time job.

9 to 5 is not a normal desk Job,

Adds up to 8 hours, minus lunch break is 7.

Where do you work, in some socialist utopian state?

Preaux wrote:

I always chuckle at these threads. People don't understand that warm up processes, training, proper recovery, massage and physio, general strength, media obligations, professional correspondence, schedule/travel/etc planning and any other related tasks all make up part of a professional runner's day.

How many world class surgeons, venture capitalists, attorneys, or even run-of-the-mill cable technicians or landscapers are running 80-120 mpw?

What if Lebron had a real job outside the NBA? Or maybe the Yankees bullpen should deliver pizza when they're not on the mound.

There are plenty of aspiring runners that probably ought to move on and get 'real jobs,' but their choices are their prerogative, and the people making teams and sustaining high levels of performance aren't moonlighting and absolutely shouldn't be.

Track and field should be made amateur again asap to get rid of the PED problem. In fact paying grown adults to play sports is not a good example to set in any society.

Toby1234567 wrote:

9 to 5 is not a normal desk Job,

Adds up to 8 hours, minus lunch break is 7.

Where do you work, in some socialist utopian state?

Seriously. You better work 7-6 if you want to make it in corporate America.

Rainy Day wrote:

Toby1234567 wrote:

9 to 5 is not a normal desk Job,

Adds up to 8 hours, minus lunch break is 7.

Where do you work, in some socialist utopian state?

Seriously. You better work 7-6 if you want to make it in corporate America.

Could you not work faster or is it all to Impress the boss.

HRE wrote:

Yekfkdk wrote:

Like a normal desk job 9-5

Derek Clayton ran either 2:08:33 or 2:09:36 depending on the accuracy of the 2:08's course. Ron Hill ran 2:09:28. Ian Thompson did 2:09:12, I believe it was 12. Bill Rodgers was working full time when he ran 2:09:55. If any of them had had pacemakers they might have managed to have gone a bit faster. So clearly sub 2:10 minimum.

I know you like to get lost in your golden era but Steve jones was running faster and working even more than those guys.

I believe Carlos Lopes had an actual job too.

Rainy Day wrote:

Toby1234567 wrote:

9 to 5 is not a normal desk Job,

Adds up to 8 hours, minus lunch break is 7.

Where do you work, in some socialist utopian state?

Seriously. You better work 7-6 if you want to make it in corporate America.

Good thing I work in Government America. Your tax dollars hard at work right here.

They ran pretty fast back in the day when they had to work 9-5.

The British runners were known for morning runs, working all day, and hammering workouts after work.

I remember, a LONGGGGG time ago reading that the Sunday long run was Sunday because runners worked all week, raced on Saturday and Sunday was the only day for a long run.

Preaux wrote:

I always chuckle at these threads. People don't understand that warm up processes, training, proper recovery, massage and physio, general strength, media obligations, professional correspondence, schedule/travel/etc planning and any other related tasks all make up part of a professional runner's day.

How many world class surgeons, venture capitalists, attorneys, or even run-of-the-mill cable technicians or landscapers are running 80-120 mpw?

What if Lebron had a real job outside the NBA? Or maybe the Yankees bullpen should deliver pizza when they're not on the mound.

There are plenty of aspiring runners that probably ought to move on and get 'real jobs,' but their choices are their prerogative, and the people making teams and sustaining high levels of performance aren't moonlighting and absolutely shouldn't be.

That's the whole freaking point of this thread. "Runners do a lot of stuff besides just an hour run every day to be at peak performance. How much would their times suffer if they had to have another job that cut down on time for warm up, training, proper recover, massage, physio, general strength, schedule planning, etc."

He's not saying "get a job you lazy elites" he's saying "they spend a lot of time on this...what difference is it making.

Anyway, everything I see also says they take a nap and play video games 5 hours a day...so they should get a job, those lazy elites.

Also, the examples from the past already provided prove that the answer is "still pretty fast."

hilarious to hear someone say how rough it is and how much time it takes to stretch, do core, do this and that. That's the point. Having the time to do these things is the benefit. When you work 9-5 you don't have time to do the extra stuff without giving up rest. When you train full time, your rest is priority. As a teacher I see my training boom in the summer when I can get extra rest, doubles, time for stretching/drills/etc.... professional runners have it made(if they at least made a little more.)

As a "sub-elite" guy running one year out of college... I work full time and run with a sponsored club team. Basically all of the time you would spend napping, cooking healthy meals, foam rolling, etc. gets moved around to fit outside of work hours. I'm lucky enough to work closer to 9:30-4 rather than 9-5, and believe that extra time makes a huge difference.

It just depends on what you want to do. Last year I took 5 hours of class in college and ran low 13:50's. This year I work full time and opened my season with a sub 14 5k. I just do a much better job of prioritizing my time. Meal prep on Sunday, napping after work on most days, in bed at 9 every night. It's not glamorous, but the idea is to improve enough while working that you can eventually justify dropping the full-time job to run.

Jordan Macnamara had an interview where he said he worked 50 hours a week at Starbucks until he had a breakthrough performance that allowed him to sign with Nike and OTCelite.

Mostly not working lets you get that extra 3-5% thats the difference between making an Olympic Trials prelim and competing for the team.

1:44.3 in the real world.

Or 1:39 if you buy the DVTT(tm).