The Reason We KNOW Kipchoge is Cheating

Macdaddy wrote:

PrZ wrote:

If you say he's a 2:00 marathoner, you're a moron.

Question - Did he cover 26.2 miles in 2:00?

A marathon isn't a distance 26.2 miles. It's an event, with defined rules. Just like an IAAF 400 isn't just 400m done in any way, like in a wind tunnel.

Interesting time trial. Not a marathon.

I just read that his agent all these years has been Jos Hermens. Uh oh.

truth2022 wrote:

when marathon times went down initially by approx 2 minutes

was due to gw501516 but only short lived as banned

then with this speed peptide gaining similar time over distance

not being factored into times ,

also have mildronate alpha/ meldronium alternative that enhances peptide

epo never got these times .

You post just like every conspiracy nut on any other subject. You know a lot of fancy words (in this case, the names of chemicals, I suppose) but you can't express yourself in any meaningful way. Try writing in paragraphs instead of half-sentences followed by a paragraph return. Cripes, try proofreading what you wrote before you blast it out to the rest of us.

cvxxvzc wrote:

I just read that his agent all these years has been Jos Hermens. Uh oh.

Well...if you look at Kipchoge he had plateaued and actually declined as a runner. Then, later in his career, he becomes this indomitable force. Of course he has a strong will and trains incredibly hard. He always did. Eliud is a special athlete with performance enhancers to boot. The recipe yields a fantastic runner.

Peppers pot wrote:

Kipchoge was a great track runner, maybe worth 26:30ish in his prime. I know he never ran that fast.

Now at age 32 Kipchoge runs a marathon which is roughly equivalent to a 26 flat 10000m. All the pacers in the world could not have helped Kipchoge run nearly that fast for 10000m in his prime. How else can one explain this?

Check your math. 4:34 per mile = 27:24 for 6 miles, or about 28 flat for 10k.

That's about a 7% difference, which is pretty significant.

PTDUFF wrote:

No it's not you cretin! It's moron!

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what it is wrote:

Macdaddy wrote:

Question - Did he cover 26.2 miles in 2:00?

A marathon isn't a distance 26.2 miles. It's an event, with defined rules. Just like an IAAF 400 isn't just 400m done in any way, like in a wind tunnel.

Interesting time trial. Not a marathon.

No... that's what you want it to be. I can't find any definition of 'marathon' that states it's an event with defined rules - I only see "a road race that covers 26.2 miles".

It wasn't downhill. It wasn't short. There wasn't a wind tunnel. There were pacers - whoopdedoo.

what it is wrote:

A marathon isn't a distance 26.2 miles. It's an event, with defined rules. Just like an IAAF 400 isn't just 400m done in any way, like in a wind tunnel.

Interesting time trial. Not a marathon.

A marathon is a distance. The RACES themselves (Berlin, NYC, Rotterdam, etc) are the events in which people race the marathon distance.

Quick facts. The IAAF was founded in 1912. The current olympic marathon distance we recognize was started in 1908. By your logic, because the IAAF did not exist before 1912, that the marathon did not exist before 1912...

Kipchoge is at least 45 years old, 32 is laughable.

Jeff Wigand wrote:

Fujita is even better, since he ran 2:06:51 and 28:19.96 in the same year.

With a 10k to marathon relationship like that, even 27:00 ability right now would get Kipchoge a 2:00:54 marathon.

The 62:19 hm/2:06:51 split is also crazy. You do have to be careful in that some runners basically never run underdistance races seriously. They are marathon or bust guys. Take Ryan Hall. He ran those track races in college, the fast HM and then basically only peaked for marathons the rest of his career.

Maybe, just maybe, his combination of speed and endurance better favors the marathon distance over a 10k (less than a quarter of the distance of a marathon)? Also, Choge never ran a paced 10k by himself in near-perfect conditions. Also his 10k days were earlier in his career. So maybe, stay with me here, he got more fit the more he trained. There's a whole slew of possible reasons his marathon time is better than his 10k times, but the narrow-minded morans that inhabit letsrun always seem gravitade towards the easy non-nuanced answers.

Imagine what times would be if people actually went all out in races and didn't just race to win.

Dick Microscopic wrote:

Maybe, just maybe, his combination of speed and endurance better favors the marathon distance over a 10k (less than a quarter of the distance of a marathon)? Also, Choge never ran a paced 10k by himself in near-perfect conditions. Also his 10k days were earlier in his career. So maybe, stay with me here, he got more fit the more he trained. There's a whole slew of possible reasons his marathon time is better than his 10k times, but the narrow-minded morans that inhabit letsrun always seem gravitade towards the easy non-nuanced answers.

Maybe, just maybe he saw that he could win 770,000 by running under 2 hours and fuelled up on drugs.

Dick Microscopic wrote:

Maybe, just maybe, his combination of speed and endurance better favors the marathon distance over a 10k (less than a quarter of the distance of a marathon)? Also, Choge never ran a paced 10k by himself in near-perfect conditions. Also his 10k days were earlier in his career. So maybe, stay with me here, he got more fit the more he trained. There's a whole slew of possible reasons his marathon time is better than his 10k times, but the narrow-minded morans that inhabit letsrun always seem gravitade towards the easy non-nuanced answers.

Eliud Kipchoge has a 12:46.53 5000m PR.

Do you remember this Eliud Kipchoge workout from 2014?

It is a high volume-high intensity workout at high altitude on a dirt track.

It is called the Eliud Kipchoge 15 x 1 Mile Workoutâ„¢ at over 7,000 ft. altitude on a dirt track:

"In the August heat of Eldoret, Kipchoge’s training group did 15 mile repeats on Moi Univeristy’s Chepkoilel Campus dirt track. They started off at 4:40 pace and dropped all the way down to 4:20.

"The witness said Kipchoge looked like he could have done another 10 miles. Kipchoge was reportedly the strongest of a training group that includes Emmanuel Mutai, who ran 2:03:13 recently in Berlin to finish just behind Dennis Kimetto's new world record of 2:02:57 and also dip below the previous record."

"Kipchoge said his training group consistently hits 200 kilometers of running per week."

“The marathon is a challenge to me,” Kipchoge said. “I like running for a long time.”

WOW = WOW.

Peppers pot wrote:

Now at age 32

He looks terrible for 32. I recognize I live a pampered western lifestyle but I know 50 year olds that looks younger. Maybe it is just the low body fat, that can tend to age people.

That said, if he is a doper than probably everyone else at that level is too. He still had to train hard and run hard. When his pacers moved out of the way and he tried to pick up the pace to the finish it looked PAINFUL. He also seems like a guy with a great attitude. There are American athletes that are tested a lot more and yet act like they can't be bothered to shake someone's hand after a race or do an interview. I'd rather see more athletes who work hard and have good attitudes rather than worry about whether EPO is 100% of top athletes or 10%.

Phantasy Star wrote:

Kipchoge is probably three or so years older than stated. No way he was 18 when he beat el G in the world champs. That's just laughable.

And yes, he's cheating. Pumped full of dope by sketchy Italian coaches and agents, just like the rest of the sub-2:07 Kenyan marathon squad.

Thrilled to see him fail in this "sub-2" nonsense. Hate that he's still competing otherwise.

Dick Microscopic wrote:

Maybe, just maybe, his combination of speed and endurance better favors the marathon distance over a 10k (less than a quarter of the distance of a marathon)? Also, Choge never ran a paced 10k by himself in near-perfect conditions. Also his 10k days were earlier in his career. So maybe, stay with me here, he got more fit the more he trained. There's a whole slew of possible reasons his marathon time is better than his 10k times, but the narrow-minded morans that inhabit letsrun always seem gravitade towards the easy non-nuanced answers.

Idiot. Kipchoge won a WC gold medal as an alleged teenager defeating the two greatest runners of his generation. He was better at 5000m than 10000m.

The pace wasn't 26 minutes flat for 10k back to back.

It was about 28:30.

So for someone who could run 26:30s thats do able if their transition to marathons went well.

Remember that Kipchoge's transition to marathons is so far the best. Kenenisa's transition is a bit shaky and he could run 2:03...in one of his races.

It's not surprising at all Kipchoge could do what he did.

This board also overestimates 10k marathon conversions.

Bekele is not even close to the 26:17 Bekele of 10+ years ago. Yet, he's still 2:03:03 now.

Who knows what he could have run in peak fitness.