PrZ wrote:
It literally doesn't matter because either way this time counts for absolutely nothing. Just a nike publicity stunt. Kipchoge is a 2:03 marathoner until he runs a legit time faster than that. If you say he's a 2:00 marathoner, you're a moron.
Your IQ is 75-90.
This is the new WR - regardless what anyone else says. Coe will ratify it as he is a Nike shill anyway.
In the 2016 good old days.
I wish NIKE did also sub 2h15' for ladies so I m sure Jemina didnt have that problem
last february...........
Why in Kenia running world women always pay the biggest price?
3 factors make Kipchoge's marathon not comparable to his best 10000m time or ability.
1) rarely is a marathon run on a course with so few corners and turns. Dubai is one with very few corners and turns, but even it has 2 hairpin turns if I remember correctly. Never understood why Dubai didn't figure out a better way to eliminate those. London has a couple dozen corners and turns. Berlin has many too despite being flat. And all 3 of those courses are considered 3 of the fastest marathon courses in the world. So if Kipchoge runs a marathon on a course that is more comparable to the cornerless running on the track, his marathon should appear to be disproportionally faster than his best track times. When we compare Bekele on the track to Bekele's best marathon, Bekele never ran his best marathon on such a cornerless route as Kipchoge did yesterday. So it's not that Kipchoge underperformed on the track, but that the favorable course sans corners and turns allowed his marathon time to be disproportionally faster.
2) the pace car and phalanx of relay-style pacers created ideal drafting for Kipchoge. Even if that only contributed a 1 or 2 second difference per mile, that's still big when trying to run 7 seconds per mile faster than the WR.
3) more importantly, the pace car and laser green lines created even splits. I dare say (and I haven't checked this) that there has never been a sub-2:05 marathon ever run with more even splits for 5K or even 1K than what Kipchoge ran last night. Nike virtually eliminated even the most minor surging so that no energy was wasted. Except for the last 7km when Kipchoge strained to not fade, I imagine the first 35K had 1K and 5K splits that were more even than any other sub-2:05 marathon ever run. Someone could fact check this by finding the difference between Kipchoge's slowest and fastest splits last night (for the first 35K) and comparing it to the same of any sub-2:05 marathon ever run. I'd be curious to see it.
Your analysis is off. Take up golf.
Peppers pot wrote:
Kipchoge was a great track runner, maybe worth 26:30ish in his prime. I know he never ran that fast.
Now at age 32 Kipchoge runs a marathon which is roughly equivalent to a 26 flat 10000m. All the pacers in the world could not have helped Kipchoge run nearly that fast for 10000m in his prime. How else can one explain this?
Comparing apples to oranges. Why can't people stick to the facts?
sayer of 3 factors wrote:
3 factors make Kipchoge's marathon not comparable to his best 10000m time or ability.
1) rarely is a marathon run on a course with so few corners and turns. Dubai is one with very few corners and turns, but even it has 2 hairpin turns if I remember correctly. Never understood why Dubai didn't figure out a better way to eliminate those. London has a couple dozen corners and turns. Berlin has many too despite being flat. And all 3 of those courses are considered 3 of the fastest marathon courses in the world. So if Kipchoge runs a marathon on a course that is more comparable to the cornerless running on the track, his marathon should appear to be disproportionally faster than his best track times. When we compare Bekele on the track to Bekele's best marathon, Bekele never ran his best marathon on such a cornerless route as Kipchoge did yesterday. So it's not that Kipchoge underperformed on the track, but that the favorable course sans corners and turns allowed his marathon time to be disproportionally faster.
2) the pace car and phalanx of relay-style pacers created ideal drafting for Kipchoge. Even if that only contributed a 1 or 2 second difference per mile, that's still big when trying to run 7 seconds per mile faster than the WR.
3) more importantly, the pace car and laser green lines created even splits. I dare say (and I haven't checked this) that there has never been a sub-2:05 marathon ever run with more even splits for 5K or even 1K than what Kipchoge ran last night. Nike virtually eliminated even the most minor surging so that no energy was wasted. Except for the last 7km when Kipchoge strained to not fade, I imagine the first 35K had 1K and 5K splits that were more even than any other sub-2:05 marathon ever run. Someone could fact check this by finding the difference between Kipchoge's slowest and fastest splits last night (for the first 35K) and comparing it to the same of any sub-2:05 marathon ever run. I'd be curious to see it.
All of this is an attempt to obfuscate the fact that cheating transpired last night. The Nike shills want to take credit for something...but not for the fact that either those shoes are magical or the chemicals Kipchoge utlizes are...or both....and Nike is as silent as can be about the chemicals.
Kipchoge ran 26:49 in his prime and lost to Shihine in Hengelo in perfect conditions. Kipchoge ran several 10000m races after that and ran sub 27 again but no faster than 26:49. Now he can magically run the equivalent of 26 flat....even some of you are not that gullible as to buy this.
Peppers pot wrote:
decent explanation wrote:Your calculations are stupid.
Please elucidate...
Your calculations which say that Kipchoge's marathon is indicative of sub-26 10k ability, are stupid.
decent explanation wrote:
Peppers pot wrote:Please elucidate...
Your calculations which say that Kipchoge's marathon is indicative of sub-26 10k ability, are stupid.
I NEVER stated what you impute to me. Work on your reading comprehension.
Tokuodrigt wrote:
PrZ wrote:It literally doesn't matter because either way this time counts for absolutely nothing. Just a nike publicity stunt. Kipchoge is a 2:03 marathoner until he runs a legit time faster than that. If you say he's a 2:00 marathoner, you're a moron.
Your IQ is 75-90.
No, he is doping to get to that range 50-75
Peppers pot wrote:
decent explanation wrote:Your calculations are stupid.
Please elucidate...
GUYZZZ - OP is so smart using elucidate in a sentence when he could have just said explain! Please show us how smart you are again!!!
Peppers pot wrote:
Kipchoge ran 26:49 in his prime and lost to Shihine in Hengelo in perfect conditions. Kipchoge ran several 10000m races after that and ran sub 27 again but no faster than 26:49. Now he can magically run the equivalent of 26 flat....even some of you are not that gullible as to buy this.
Last time I checked the marathon and 10000m were totally different events.
Drafting is not enough? Pola R. said that the wind in the back is the MOST important factor of the route, as it helps with recovery - not even the absence of a change in altitude. And wind was 0.4 m/s. So if such a minor factor helps, why optimal calculated V-shaped "protection" from pacemakers can't do the trick? http://www.runnersworld.com/sweat-science/does-drafting-help-in-running
Drafting is not enough? Pola R. said that the wind in the back is the MOST important factor of the route, as it helps with recovery - not even the absence of a change in altitude. And wind was 0.4 m/s. So if such a minor factor helps, why optimal calculated V-shaped "protection" from pacemakers can't do the trick? http://www.runnersworld.com/sweat-science/does-drafting-help-in-running
Kipchoge is probably three or so years older than stated. No way he was 18 when he beat el G in the world champs. That's just laughable.
And yes, he's cheating. Pumped full of dope by sketchy Italian coaches and agents, just like the rest of the sub-2:07 Kenyan marathon squad.
Thrilled to see him fail in this "sub-2" nonsense. Hate that he's still competing otherwise.
Macdaddy wrote:
PrZ wrote:If you say he's a 2:00 marathoner, you're a moron.
Question - Did he cover 26.2 miles in 2:00?
Yep, but it wasnt a marathon. It was a sideshow.
Sorry, Paula
Peppers pot wrote:
Kipchoge ran 26:49 in his prime and lost to Shihine in Hengelo in perfect conditions. Kipchoge ran several 10000m races after that and ran sub 27 again but no faster than 26:49. Now he can magically run the equivalent of 26 flat....even some of you are not that gullible as to buy this.
A 26:30 runner whose best distance is the marathon is fast enough to run sub 2:00. A 2 hour marathon and a 26 min 10k might have the same value on some chart. But nobody has a flat line across all distances. Everyone has a peak where they perform a notch or two higher than their other times. A 4:30 miler/15 min 5k guy isn't unheard of. It doesn't matter that the point table says that a 4:30 miler should be running a a 15:24k.
Take some one like Deanne Kastor. She ran a bunch of top level 5k/10ks and was a 14:51/30:50 runner. You would expect her to be a 2:24 type runner off those performances. She was a 2:20 runner. There are numerous other runners with 10k/marathon ratios like hers. Maybe they all were cheaters. I would say they just found their distance.
dasasdfa wrote:
Peppers pot wrote:Kipchoge ran 26:49 in his prime and lost to Shihine in Hengelo in perfect conditions. Kipchoge ran several 10000m races after that and ran sub 27 again but no faster than 26:49. Now he can magically run the equivalent of 26 flat....even some of you are not that gullible as to buy this.
A 26:30 runner whose best distance is the marathon is fast enough to run sub 2:00. A 2 hour marathon and a 26 min 10k might have the same value on some chart. But nobody has a flat line across all distances. Everyone has a peak where they perform a notch or two higher than their other times. A 4:30 miler/15 min 5k guy isn't unheard of. It doesn't matter that the point table says that a 4:30 miler should be running a a 15:24k.
Take some one like Deanne Kastor. She ran a bunch of top level 5k/10ks and was a 14:51/30:50 runner. You would expect her to be a 2:24 type runner off those performances. She was a 2:20 runner. There are numerous other runners with 10k/marathon ratios like hers. Maybe they all were cheaters. I would say they just found their distance.
No....nobody will EVER legitimately be capable of a sub 2 hour marathon if they cannot run close to 26 flat under the same conditions.
Am I living in the twilight zone? The Boston Marathon weather was terrible!
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