They destroyed everyone else in the field which was run in horrific conditions. Manzano struggled again.
Results coming.
They destroyed everyone else in the field which was run in horrific conditions. Manzano struggled again.
Results coming.
Live results link for anyone interested. Conditions were listed as 44 degrees (37 wind chill), pouring rain and 16 MPH winds.
Anyone else not impressed? Narrowly beats a 3:36 guy nobody outside of the US has heard of.
Centro would destroy Murphy.
Not the next US miler wrote:
Anyone else not impressed? Narrowly beats a 3:36 guy nobody outside of the US has heard of.
Centro would destroy Murphy.
centro may well beat murphy, but if you saw the race you know murphy was in control the entire time and basically did the bare minimum to win (not to mention conditions were not good).
Not the next US miler wrote:
Anyone else not impressed? Narrowly beats a 3:36 guy nobody outside of the US has heard of.
Centro would destroy Murphy.
I think it's a little unfair that you would only be impressed by Murphy if he could beat the best 1500 meter runner in the world. Centro is the present, Murphy is the future.
I like that he's doing these mile races early on. I wonder if he's trying to follow his formula from last year where I think those longer races helped him hold strong during the olympics
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Not the next US miler wrote:
Anyone else not impressed? Narrowly beats a 3:36 guy nobody outside of the US has heard of.
Centro would destroy Murphy.
This is likely the final season Centro has a chance to beat Murphy over 1500. Since Murphy trained through the week while winning the road mile a couple of days ago it is impressive, considering Murphy didn't look distressed. Three weeks in a row of racing for Murphy, he should probably stick with training and no racing for a few weeks.
Centro might break 3:30 this season. Might. Murphy will be routinely under 3:30 within a couple of years. He's younger and has really only been training at a decent level (in terms of volume to build strength) since he was a college frosh (he's now a senior even though he's running as a pro).
Murphy has that bit of extra speed that Centro doesn't have, which is what makes Centro tail off from the other big guns when a race is run at 3:30 or faster. Now, if Centro were doped like a lot of the E. Africans he faces, he wouldn't have a problem breaking 3:30. But a guy who isn't doped needs that extra bit of speed to break 3:30.
I don't think so. I'm a huge Murphy fan, but I'm not really a huge Matty fan, because he is more of a tactical runner. However, Murphy is not a 1500 meter guy. I don't see it. He does not look as strong at that distance, and you could see the drop off at about 1000 meters. Maybe he will grow into it over the years. I don't know
But now, I still think Centro beats Murphy at 1500 meters due to his experience. Centro would get him in the end. Centro is not a flat out 1500 burner, but he has closing speed, which he proved at rio.
I get what you are saying, but there is a big question mark as to whether Murphy ever approaches 3:30. Lots of 1:43 guys struggle to have that endurance. There are only a handful ever.
What's more, what good is 3:30? Top guys are running 3:27/3:28. There will be another 3:26 guy by time Murphy gets going in the 1500m.
Centro has an Olympic gold medal. Murphy should look up to him and can only dream of any Olympic medal at 1500m. He hasn't even run the Olympic qualifying time yet.
To be fair, Makhloufi and Iguider are Northwest
Africa. Besides that the only two that standout as suspicious dopers are Farah and Souleiman, and that's largely because of their coaching connections. Kenya's line up is just way too deep for everyone of them to be a doper.
Not the next US miler wrote:
I get what you are saying, but there is a big question mark as to whether Murphy ever approaches 3:30. Lots of 1:43 guys struggle to have that endurance. There are only a handful ever.
What's more, what good is 3:30? Top guys are running 3:27/3:28. There will be another 3:26 guy by time Murphy gets going in the 1500m.
Centro has an Olympic gold medal. Murphy should look up to him and can only dream of any Olympic medal at 1500m. He hasn't even run the Olympic qualifying time yet.
If Murphy runs both events and can get his 1500 pb down to 3:32, then he will be very dangerous in championship races.
In reality there have been 2 or 3 guys capable of sub 3:28 amongst the current crop, and even they manage it maybe once or twice every 2 seasons. Outside of Monaco, a sub 3:30 1500m is still very rare.
6 performances by 4 athletes in the last 7 years have broken 3:30 outside of Monaco. All Kenyans, and none has run faster than 3:29.
In fact no one has broken 3:29 outside of Monaco for 13 years. The last one was Lagat in Zurich in 2004, the end of the EPO era.
So if Murphy managed to run a 3:30 other than at Monaco, then he's a contender, period.
But I don't think many realise how hard it is to break 3:30. It's more likely that he won't break it, imo.
scorpion_runner wrote:
I don't think so. I'm a huge Murphy fan, but I'm not really a huge Matty fan, because he is more of a tactical runner. However, Murphy is not a 1500 meter guy. I don't see it.
^Obvious Centro Fanboy.
Everybody had closing speed in Rio, Centro was in lane 1 the whole way. I am not downplaying his win. But the second and third place runners covered more ground moving in and out over the last lap and finished more quickly over the last 200 and 300.
Murphy has gone from 4:11 in the 1600 to 3:36 in the 1500 in three years and is no doubt better this season. Centro's hold on being the top 1500 guy in the US is going to end in a year or two. Like the guy said, Murphy has a better set of wheels. Murphy has three years of strength work in and he's gained massively on Centro who has been for the most part rigidly trained (which he himself will play off) since he was 15 - 16 years old. Murphy is coming on like Steve Scott in some ways, when Scott displaced the guys who were considered the future of the US in the 1500 (one of them being Centro's dad). Scott was a good half miler in HS and wasn't even considered a miler. Murphy was an OK middle distance runner in HS who was undertrained to say the least.
Centro has another season or two at the top in the US. But by 2020 he'll be chasing Murphy or running the 5k as his main event.
Centro Fanboy outed wrote:
scorpion_runner wrote:I don't think so. I'm a huge Murphy fan, but I'm not really a huge Matty fan, because he is more of a tactical runner. However, Murphy is not a 1500 meter guy. I don't see it.
^Obvious Centro Fanboy.
Not really. Murphy seems to top off to me at 1000 meters, and He didn't really look strong to me today. I know the weather conditions weren't ideal, but he was bent over gasping for air after the race. You never see that from Murphy. It took him a lot to take on that extra 500 meters. Right now, up to 1000 meters he is a beast. He won the 1000 meter US indoor championship, so he is a pure runner between those distances.
But he is not a pure 1500 meter guy. So as of right now, He would not beat Centro. Maybe he will develop over time and become really dominant at 1500, but we shall see.
I love the hell out of Murphy, and I think he is going to dominate 800 meters once the King hangs them up. So no Centro fan boy here.
Right, that's all that I am saying. Clayton wouldn't beat Centro RIGHT NOW. There are lot people on this board who feel that Clayton would beat Centro as we speak, and that just wouldn't happen. Clayton is still developing at 1500 meters.
He said he thought Murphy would be under 3:30 routinely in the future. You didn't read his post. I agree that will happen. Some 1:43 guys don't care about running the 1500, in fact most didn't and don't. Murphy is actually a 1:42 guy, and the Murphy haters like to round up and then round down for guys like Brazier. I agree with others who point at Murphy's MASSIVE improvement at the 800 and 1500 the past three seasons. Murphy was 3:50 as a frosh, 3:36 as a junior when it comes to the 1500.
Centro has gotten stronger but his PRs have only moved slightly. Centro ran a perfect, gutsy race in Rio and it was indecision of the other athletes who helped a bit. If the pace had been quicker, producing a race at 3:35 or faster, Centro would likely not have won and Willis wouldn't have medaled. Look at where Centro was in his frosh year of college, then soph, then junior etc. and then look at Murphy who came in not being on anyone's radar. Sure, he'll hit some bumps and snags but so far he shows much more potential. We'll see if he lives up to it.
There might be another 3:26 guy in a year or two, unless drug testing is fairly implemented and then we'll see more of a drop off in terms of the number of guys from "impoverished" countries running under 3:32. Kiprop's remarks and behavior after the down the memory hole drug bust of Jama Aden in Spain last summer said a lot.
Matty is a great tactical runner but is awful in fast races, his basic speed fails him. He will probably run 3:29 at some point but it will be his ceiling.
The real reason so many guys are negative about Murphy is because of his speed. These guys like to think that a guy with average speed has as much potential as speedy runners when it comes to the 1500. Not without drugs they don't. Those sub 46 relay legs show Murphy is not bad over the 1 lapper and is no doubt far, far faster than any of our current crop of 1500 guys, this includes Andrews. Coe's father put it best decades ago when he said you can't escape speed. He was right for a while, but depending on their ability as responders drugs have allowed athletes to avoid speed. Hopefully that's coming to an end.
As far Murphy looking up to Centro, Murphy seems too level headed to look up to anyone. He kicks losses aside and just keeps working to improve. I agree with others in that he should lay off racing for a few weeks but he's still learning. So far he's done alright. And he did earn a bronze in the 800m before his senior year of college.
If Brazier had done what Murphy did last season you Murphy deniers would be saying Brazier is going to run 1:39 and 3:23.
After I watched Centro at USAs in 2015 (that last 600 was murderous) and then of course Rio, I'm not buying it that Murphy has more upside than Centro in the 1500.
It's fun to speculate, but Centro is the proven thing at the distance and he seems to be just getting better. He very well may be on the cusp of breaking the AR. Becoming a sub 3:30 guy takes a certain level of maturity and built up strength (just ask Nick Willis) that which the 800 doesn't fully require. Furthermore, when Centro was Murphy's age, he also had a global medal. However, there is a long, long, long chasm between running for a medal and running for Gold. It mine as well be 10 places higher, not just one or two.
LetsRun.com wrote:
They destroyed everyone else in the field which was run in horrific conditions. Manzano struggled again.
Results coming.
All I know is Murphy ran the World Relays on Sunday, then won the road mile a few days ago and then won today while training through the week. He must be exhausted. This type of thing has helped some 1500 guys build strength and it has worn out others.
It will be interesting to see where Murphy is in a year or two. I think he and his coach are looking at this season as purely for development even though the World Champs are this summer. I think they are looking at them as a bonus while trying to continue this guy's amazing development. Centro is still stronger but by 2020 Murphy will be eating his lunch.