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My guess is that they would be fast rather than slow.
A pretty good estimate is to add 3 minutes to your 10k and use that pace for the marathon, so 4X30 = 2 hours for 40K + 2K to go in about 6-7 minutes
Depends on the runner. Someone who races well at 1500/5k will probably be slower than a 10k specialist with the same PR. Think Alan Webb vs. Ryan Hall in their primes (Wow, that is sad to write). On average, though, I'd say 2:06-2:09 under ideal conditions and assuming no extra marathon training. Give them time to prepare for it though and that will drop. You see more young guys moving to the marathon right away now because there's more $ in it.
I just looked up the ten fastest Marathoners, all-time on IAAF site. Four of ten have sub-27:00 10000m PB. All of top ten are sub-28:45 10000m runners.
The four: Kenenisa Bekele, Eliud Kipchoge, Haile Gebrselassie & Tamirat Tola.
We can state: racing a sub-2:05 Marathon, it is not necessary to have sub-27:00 10000m speed.
once a faster runner wrote:
I just looked up the ten fastest Marathoners, all-time on IAAF site. Four of ten have sub-27:00 10000m PB. All of top ten are sub-28:45 10000m runners.
The four: Kenenisa Bekele, Eliud Kipchoge, Haile Gebrselassie & Tamirat Tola.
We can state: racing a sub-2:05 Marathon, it is not necessary to have sub-27:00 10000m speed.
Not necessarily true. It could easily be the case that each of those 6 who didn't go sub-27 were not training for the 10,000 when they raced it. If training properly, they may also be capable of sub-27 (or previously capable in their most prime years). Some could have also recorded their technical 10,000m PR before they were fully trained, but never bothered to race it again, or not on the track, when they reached peak fitness, as the marathon would be more lucrative.
Marathon is a long way away from 10000m. As you know, some Marathoners just are not relatively fast. I know a 2:11+ Marathoner who never broke 55 for 440 yards (obviously an older guy). Some Marathoners average fairly close to their 10000m PB for Marathon.
once a faster runner wrote:
Marathon is a long way away from 10000m. As you know, some Marathoners just are not relatively fast. I know a 2:11+ Marathoner who never broke 55 for 440 yards (obviously an older guy). Some Marathoners average fairly close to their 10000m PB for Marathon.
I don't think you read his post. Part of what he is saying is that their 10000m PB may not be their true 10000 ability.
TrackBot! VDOT 27:00 10IK
VDOT for 27:00 10could not determine unit: -4.8
Equivalent race times based on VDOT:
Marathon: -6486334540243713024:-1:44
Half marathon: 00:01:17
15K: 00:01:17
10K: 00:01:17
5K: 00:01:17
3Mi: 00:01:17
2Mi: 00:01:17
3200m: 00:01:17
3K: 00:01:17
1Mi: 00:01:17
1600m: 00:01:17
1500m: 00:01:17
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TrackBot! VDOT 27:00 10000m
VDOT for 27:00 10.0km: 82.5
Equivalent race times based on VDOT:
Marathon: 02:04:14
Half marathon: 00:59:17
15K: 00:41:18
10K: 00:26:58
5K: 00:12:57
3Mi: 00:12:28
2Mi: 00:08:01
3200m: 00:07:58
3K: 00:07:26
1Mi: 00:03:45
1600m: 00:03:44
1500m: 00:03:29
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What sort of workouts would sub 27 guys need to prepare for a full thon?
Five by 18 wrote:
What sort of workouts would sub 27 guys need to prepare for a full thon?
Omitting 4 letters ( m a r a ) musta saved you several minutes as you banged out that question, eh?
TrackBot wrote:
VDOT for 27:00 10.0km: 82.5
Equivalent race times based on VDOT:
Marathon: 02:04:14
Half marathon: 00:59:17
15K: 00:41:18
10K: 00:26:58
5K: 00:12:57
3Mi: 00:12:28
2Mi: 00:08:01
3200m: 00:07:58
3K: 00:07:26
1Mi: 00:03:45
1600m: 00:03:44
1500m: 00:03:29
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surprisingly good numbers
from a "mathematical" equivalence, i get 27-flat as
59'12
2"04'57
It depends. Some like Bekele and Kipchoge are VERY fast in the marathon. Others, like Tadesse and Rupp, are much slower (still much faster than us average joes) than their 10k prs would make you think.
Silky Johnson wrote:
Think Alan Webb vs. Ryan Hall in their primes (Wow, that is sad to write).
+1
The funny part is that you just said 10000m and speed in the same sentence.
TrackBot! VDOT 31:48 10000m
VDOT for 31:48 10.0km: 68
Equivalent race times based on VDOT:
Marathon: 02:26:43
Half marathon: 01:10:04
15K: 00:48:43
10K: 00:31:46
5K: 00:15:17
3Mi: 00:14:44
2Mi: 00:09:30
3200m: 00:09:26
3K: 00:08:48
1Mi: 00:04:26
1600m: 00:04:25
1500m: 00:04:07
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Am I living in the twilight zone? The Boston Marathon weather was terrible!
Is there a rule against attaching a helium balloon to yourself while running a road race?
How rare is it to run a sub 5 minute mile AND bench press 225?
Move over Mark Coogan, Rojo and John Kellogg share their 3 favorite mile workouts
Matt Choi was drinking beer halfway through the Boston Marathon
Mark Coogan says that if you could only do 3 workouts as a 1500m runner you should do these