Limbo Patrum wrote:
Hernandez has a 4-year old daughter with his girlfriend. I don't think it is comforting to know that one of your parents was a suicide.
Many insurance policies wont pay-out if it's a suicide.
Limbo Patrum wrote:
Hernandez has a 4-year old daughter with his girlfriend. I don't think it is comforting to know that one of your parents was a suicide.
Many insurance policies wont pay-out if it's a suicide.
Blippo wrote:
Garst wrote:But the difference between (1) + (2) is minuscule compared to the difference between 0 and (1).
I had a co-worker, about 37 years old, married father of 5 and 4 year old daughters, who did himself in... some years after his older brother did. I suppose murder of others IS worse than self-murder, but I don't think self-murder is insignificant or minuscule, and perhaps there is some familial copycat-ism involved in suicide.
Was your co-worker's brother in prison for life for murder? I didn't say suicide in itself was minuscule.
Not Really a Brojo wrote:
I thought he was going to win his appeal on the Lloyd conviction and be set free.
Man, imagine a world where Ray Lewis, OJ and Aaron Hernandez were all out looking for the real killers.
Why do you have OJ in with those other two???
If only Joepa would man up and off himself in prison. It's the least he could do after what he did to those kids.
unhappy valley wrote:
If only Joepa would man up and off himself in prison. It's the least he could do after what he did to those kids.
Just to set the record straight for those who might be confused by the continual posting of false information, Joe is NOT the one who touched the kids. Graham Spaniel, Penn State's president committed the act. Joe was accused, but never convicted, of covering the act up. Offensive coordinator Jerry Toledo was fired over the whole incident, and died shortly thereafter.
Yet another reason to stop watching football and start watching rugby.
XY wrote:
Limbo Patrum wrote:Hernandez has a 4-year old daughter with his girlfriend. I don't think it is comforting to know that one of your parents was a suicide.
Many insurance policies wont pay-out if it's a suicide.
How about if it was a murder? Who hangs himself days after receiving very good news?
hangingaround wrote:
XY wrote:Many insurance policies wont pay-out if it's a suicide.
How about if it was a murder? Who hangs himself days after receiving very good news?
It's next to impossible to get life insurance for someone in prison, so it's not likely a factor.
poj'hoi wrote:
Garst wrote:Agreed. Compare it to the soothing caress of merely having one of your parents in jail for life for murdering someone.
So now she has a parent who (1) was in jail for life for murdering someone AND (2) who was a suicide.
(1) alone is better than (1) + (2).
Well he's not in jail now.
Not sure if anyone caught this on espn radio (during Russillo and Kanel), but one of their staffers was a lawyer for 8 years and said that in Massachusetts, if you die during an appeal, you are considered innocent? AH was appealing his conviction from the first murder trial. I found this:http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/04/19/under-massachusetts-aaron-hernandez-suicide-voids-murder-conviction/
Hernandez was still in the process of appealing his 2014 conviction of murdering Odin Lloyd, which means a legal principle dating back to English common law called “abatement ab initio†applies to his case. “Ab initio†translates to “from the beginning†and chief legal counsel to the Massachusetts Bar Association Michael Healy told the Boston Globe that the principle reverts a case to its start if the convicted party dies before the appeals process has concluded.
Any lawyers, or those with better knowledge of the law there care to expand on this? I am going super tinfoil hat here, and say Hernandez had been told of this part of the law, killed himself, thus protecting whatever assets he had left for his daughter.
shameful wrote:
Good job American justice system. It's so bad, prisoners would rather face death than continue on. Meanwhile, other countries rehab their prisoners to improve the individual, & society.
The justice system is also in place to provide PUNISHMENT for crime(s) committed.
The right to appeal a conviction is part of due process, so that generally if you die before your appeal is decided you've been denied due process and the conviction will be void. On the other hand, if your death is because of suicide, one would think that the concept of waiver comes into play and that your estate should not benefit.
Hawkeye48 wrote:
Whatever you think about Hernandez, he was a top talent in football. It's rare to find a tight end with that kind of hang time.
Heh, heh, I saw what you did there.
The prison is liable for the families punitive damages. And the family can collect on the personal liability insurance because the suicide clauses expire after two years.
But consider the man who chose to shut the door on this life. Quite possibly through some divine intervention he was told the secret to life is closing the door? On the other hand, there exists a timeline where he was rescued before his final act.
Life is like Gilligans Island.
Don't let the sun go down on me!
Sdfsdfsdfsdfsdfsdf wrote:
zzzz wrote:"Hernandez was discovered hanged in his cell by corrections officers..."
That's poor sentence construction in the embedly preview of that article.
It is proper sentence construction according to the ap style guide.
AP is not arbiter of language, just a propaganda club.
It would be funnier if phrased "Hernandez was discovered by corrections officers hanged in his cell." To state it unambiguously you could say "hanging in his cell" instead, or "Hernandez, hanged in his cell, was discovered by corrections officers."
Does the AP style include "Corrections officers discovered Hernandez hanged in his cell" because that's the sensible way to state it.
And then he should just die at the hands of true violent proud Americans- the real Americans. Proud glutinous violent and proud. What we need in America is more pride and hate and intolerance.
And then he should just die at the hands of true violent proud Americans- the real Americans. Proud glutinous violent and proud. What we need in America is more pride and hate and intolerance.
Surprised by his death, he never seemed like a guy who liked to hang around?
shameful wrote:
Good job American justice system. It's so bad, prisoners would rather face death than continue on. Meanwhile, other countries rehab their prisoners to improve the individual, & society.
He was an animal. A murderer. He was a dumb savage who couldn't stop hanging with a gang even after starting an NFL career. He was beyond rehabilitation, just like most criminals. He saved the taxpayers money.
Being found not guilty in his latest trial doesn't mean he didn't commit murder, it means he was let off because the jury couldn't grasp certain ideas, like reasonable doubt.
It's now being reported he had synthetic marijuana in his system and John 3:16 scrawled on his forehead.