sumgong summore wrote:
El Keniano wrote:Maybe the OP of this thread knows and can finally spill the beans? We''re tired of waiting.
Yes, but you're Christian, right? It's like Christmas. The anticipation makes it mean all the more.
Throw us a bone.
sumgong summore wrote:
El Keniano wrote:Maybe the OP of this thread knows and can finally spill the beans? We''re tired of waiting.
Yes, but you're Christian, right? It's like Christmas. The anticipation makes it mean all the more.
Throw us a bone.
El Keniano wrote:
sumgong summore wrote:Yes, but you're Christian, right? It's like Christmas. The anticipation makes it mean all the more.
Throw us a bone.
Never mind: After much begging and pleading, some snitch has DMed me on Twitter. So, we wait. 😉
"After the 8–9 week experimental period, mice were sacrificed via CO2 inhalation and body mass was measured. Mean age at sacrifice was 86 days (range 5 80–91). Triceps surae muscles were dissected and weighed to identify the MM mice (line 3: n 5 3, 2 with wheels; line 6: n 5 6, 3 with wheels), as described in Garland et al. (2002). Carcasses were skinned and evis-
cerated, air-dried, and placed in a colony of dermestid beetles. Defleshed limb bones were disarticulated man-ually as necessary. All procedures were reviewed and approved by the University of Wisconsin-Madison IACUC."
This is a quotation from that academic article, in which it was claimed that 27-50% of variation was genetic. Immediately preceding this quote was the claim that certain mice--apparently bred for running--were running 13k/day on the treadmill, vs. another group at 5k (this was the first week, 12 and 6 for the second week). So, they did their experiment and then they killed the mice ("sacrificed"), dissected their muscles, skinned their carcasses, eviscerated them, dried them, and then gave them to beetles to eat their flesh. De-fleshed limb bones were then broken apart by hand to measure them. And these procedures were copacetic for the UW review board. Nice.
I cant understand why so many people cant see the reality!I
In a just few years in Kenia they have so many case of doping like i dont remember in any other nation. And those who says that only 4 or 5 where
elite . Thats a total bullshit . ALL WHERE ELITES!!! And Always remember that only a very low percentage of doping users can be caught cos they have so many tricks to not show positive , microdose , diuretics etc. etc. So those cases are only the tip of the iceberg!!!Now imagine that all those
cases were in another nation like USA or ITALY or UK etc. Thats would have
caused something like a revolution more or less like in Russia nowdays.
And there are still people that say oh but the kenians would also dominate without doping!!!! Ha Ha Ha Thats not the point!!! So I could say , Oh why
you talk in a bad way of Lance Armstrong , he could have win 7 TOUR DE FRANCE also without doping!!!!
And to those who says EPO dont works I want to remember that all record of
climbing hill in cycling are from the EPO era. Not that now they are not using it
but they do it in a minor way. One great example is this.
Mortirolo is one of the Europe hardest climbing 12,5km with 10,45% medium inclination . Well the record is from 1996 42'40" by Ivan Gotti . Just Incredible. I have the video of that Giro d' italia stage and was absolutely incredible .Only Pantani in 1999 maybe could have broken that record but was stopped in the morning of mortirolo stage cos his HTC was more than 50%.Ivan Gotti in that 1999 stage made 43'10". But will never know . I can compare the above performances.
to Daniel Komen 7'20" 3000 wr in rieti in 1996!! A coincidence same year.
In cycling 1996 was the last year where there wasnt a limitation of HTC.%.
Some guys were near 60%!!! Blood like marmalade
From 1997 they put the limit of 50%.
Anyway many times Giro d' Italia come back on Mortirolo but noone get even near to the 1996 record.
"Fake news", apparently.
I'll just copy and paste what I posted on the other thread because now Jack Tuwei is denying he ever said such a thing.
It was Jack Tuwei who was quoted by Reuters saying "another high profile Kenyan tested positive" that started the whirlwind of speculation when, apparently, he'd been talking about Jemima Sumgong all along. The Reuters reporter who broke the news is Kenyan so I don't know how the confusion began.
I'm afraid even I got caught up in the speculation and got a friend who works at one of Nairobi's worst rags (not as a journalist) to ask her colleagues who it was and she got back to me with a name from Sumgong's group. If this was nothing but a witch hunt ... well, a lot of disappointed people here, including the owners of this site.
Killjoy!
I've requested your posted be removed.
For reference, the Reuters article.
http://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2017/04/29/five-on-the-radar_c1551779
for reference wrote:
For reference, the Reuters article.
http://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2017/04/29/five-on-the-radar_c1551779
No, that is an article from The Star, a Kenyan tabloid capable of sensationalising an old ladies' knitting club. Here is the Reuters article which quoted Tuwei allegedly referring to one "high profile" athlete. By the time it got to The Star, five athletes were on the run "criss-crossing the Rift Valley counties" looking for a place to hide.
http://www.sport24.co.za/OtherSport/Athletics/International/another-kenyan-fails-doping-test-20170428It is just a coincidence.com wrote:
Scott Tenorman wrote:When do we get the news?
Here are some sub-2:04 marathoners:
1) Dennis Kimetto- 2:02:57, 2:03:45, managed by Gerard Van De Veen (NED)
2) Geoffrey Mutai- 2:03:02a, managed by Gerard Van De Veen (NED)
3) Kenenisa Bekele- 2:03:03, managed by Jos Hermens (NED)
4) Eliud Kipchoge- 2:03:05, managed by Jos Hermens (NED)
5) Wilson Kipsang- 2:03:13, 2:03:23, 2:03:42, 2:03:58 managed by Gerard Van De Veen (NED)
6) Emmanuel Mutai- 2:03:13, 2:03:52, managed by Michel Boeting (NED)
7) Stanley Biwott- 2:03:51, managed by Federico Rosa (ITALY), was coached by Claudio Berardelli (ITALY)
8) Moses Mosop- 2:03:06a, managed by Jos Hermens (NED)
9) Haile Gebrselassie-2:03:59, managed by Jos Hermens (NED)
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/general/athletics-claims-over-a-doping-network-are-crazy-says-hermens-425356.htmlhttp://athleticsillustrated.com/editorial/jos-hermens-i-have-never-been-involved-or-assisted-any-athlete-at-anytime-to-dope/Do you see a pattern with the managers of the sub-2:04 marathoners?
It is just a coincidence.
My intuition tells me it is #7 SB. Withdrew from London with an "injury". His connection with Dr. Rose makes him a "favorite".
El Keniano wrote:
No, that is an article from The Star, a Kenyan tabloid capable of sensationalising an old ladies' knitting club. Here is the Reuters article which quoted Tuwei allegedly referring to one "high profile" athlete. By the time it got to The Star, five athletes were on the run "criss-crossing the Rift Valley counties" looking for a place to hide.
http://www.sport24.co.za/OtherSport/Athletics/International/another-kenyan-fails-doping-test-20170428
Maybe you were reading something else, otherwise I guess you missed the parts that said, "By MUIGAI KIGURU and REUTERS" and Tuwei referring to one "high profile" athlete. It also refers to one female athlete being on the run, not to five as you suggest.
for reference wrote:
Maybe you were reading something else, otherwise I guess you missed the parts that said, "By MUIGAI KIGURU and REUTERS" and Tuwei referring to one "high profile" athlete. It also refers to one female athlete being on the run, not to five as you suggest.
Did you miss the cognitive dissonance in the Star piece and the stuff about it five athletes "being on the radar"? Unless they meant exceptional performances finally got them in the whereabouts programme, which still doesn't make sense because they made it seem like they'd failed dope tests.
No, and neither did I miss you making up stuff that wasn't in the Star piece to discredit it.
for reference wrote:
No, and neither did I miss you making up stuff that wasn't in the Star piece to discredit it.
Are you illiterate? The headline of the Star piece is "Five on the Radar".
I guess there are different ideas about literacy in your part of the world.
This Jamaican me crazy.....
El Keniano wrote:
Well, supposing you got your wish of a blanket ban on Kenya, you'd still have Ethiopia to deal with and they've come off unscathed thus far.
Yeah, once the sport is clean, they will still dominate but we will see time back into the 2:06-2:07 probably more 2:08's will be the norm. Example AK knows they have rampant cheating going on. Do you really expect them to come public and say..."uh, hey world, we have a boatload of juicers here that we were unable to catch because we rarely tested them in or out of competition because running is the ticket out of poverty to so many people, we hope the world understands" ? That will be naive.
The same goes to Ethiopia or whoever is enabling cheating by action or inaction.
Not over yet it seems
https://twitter.com/saddiqueshaban/status/860006150066098176
they want to name them but its going to be super bad....hey Retardo why dont you give us your brilliant insight on what 5 elite kenyan runners it could be? oh wait only sub elites take EPO....whatever who do you think it is Retardo? what are you going to say if its from your stable or Rosa's stable?
cant wait to hear the excuses
Your inane ramblings would carry slightly more weight if you desisted from calling Renato 'retardo'
So are the hammers still about to drop or is everyone convinced this was fake news?