king himself wrote:
Uh-ohhh wrote:Would make sense. Look for recent dns at marathon majors.
Plus he's part of the Rosa gang.
Oh, this would absolutely crush me. Please, not Stanley. I never cared for Jemima Sumgong (visceral distrust ever since that initial positive a few years ago) and Rita Jeptoo was never my favourite either. Biwott, otoh, I've met briefly and found extremely nice, humble and down to earth.
rojo wrote:
mindweak wrote:sorry im lazy, but can you give me the translated summary of these?
hey retardo where are you!?!?!? hiding in a hole like Saddam Hussein?
I read the L'Equipe article - through google translate. Basically it talked about how the Rosas helped Kenya become a marathon power by going over there in 1991 after being invited by Moses Tanui as the only successful Kenyan marathoners at the time wer those trained in the US or Japan.
Anyway, it then says the Rossa have conducted a bunch of blood tests on their own athletes over the year and even kicked people out with suspicious values. It says they have suspended 2:19 tokyo winner Sarah Chepchirchir.
It says the CAS ruling on Jeptoo said they knew nothing about her doping.
Rosa is quoted as saying that there are more than 60 positives in Kenya but only 3 from his group.
The article quotes Canova a tons saying the rosas are clean. Canova says it's tough to know who is doping. "But it's almost impossible to control everything, unless you sleep in the same room ," Canova said. T
The article also says they have no ties to Conconi or Ferrari.
Moses Tanui went from being easily beaten by our Eamonn Martin in the commonwealth games to world champion within 2 years of being taken on by Rosa
This is where it all started
rojo wrote:
Readign it again. It's big news if they have suspended Chepchirchir. That would mean they think she's doping so maybe she's one to test positive.
Anyone speak French?
Here is the line in French:
Les Rosa viennent désormais de suspendre tout le groupe, notamment Sarah Chepchirchir, victorieuse de façon stupéfiante à Tokyo en février en 2 h 19'47'' !
Google translate converts that to:
The Rosa have now suspended the whole group, notably Sarah Chepchirchir, victorious in a stunning way in Tokyo in February in 2 h 19'47 ''!
Is that accurate?
on the dot.
If it's Sarah Chepchirchir this will, rightly turn the heat on another from their group - young Purity Rionoripo who won the Paris marathon. Wejo was right, he visited a doping camp.
BadWigins, you're not entirely incorrect, but you're not entirely correct. Bone morphology and development (while, indeed, *highly* responsive to environmental factors and stresses) does have some genetic predetermination.
I agree that the development environment plays a big role, but it's also easy to imagine that an Aisian or a European who grew up in the same conditions wouldn't have the same architecture as an East African.
Now, the question of whether or not a particular architecture is even a performance determinant is a whole new debate, and my hypothesis is in line with your reasoning that the environment in which they're raised has a systemic benefit for distance running dominance that would likely be replicated across populations, regardless of genetics.
But, regarding the skeletal structure issue, the intro of this paper discusses environment and genes with a nod to running nicely:
3rd paragraph of the intro, 2nd page, hits on the genes.
Burnsy
king himself wrote:
My prediction: Stanley Biwott
He was quoted saying this when he withdrew from London:
“I thought I had the injury under control but in the last 10 days the problem has gotten worse,†he said. “I don’t feel I can be a protagonist in London this year as usual, but I will come back in 2018 and try to win the race.â€
He's already looking to the future so hopefully not him. I dont think someone who knows about a failed test would target 2018.
http://www.nation.co.ke/sports/athletics/Stanley-Biwott-out-of-London-Marathon/1100-3886650-gcqgwm/index.htmlthe third doping case to hit is one of the Robertson twins
The current Kenyan doper bus has now been deemed too small for purpose.
Instead of paying for a functioning anti-doping agency, they're just gonna buy an Airbus A300 to transport all these cheats back home.
Detectives of LetsRun, find out where Noah Talam was from 2006-2007, and with whom, and you can start to connect the dots here.
We all agree that the woman that just break the half marathon record and all the other road records en route is drugged as well?
Paula's going to have their houses searched followed by lie-detector tests and criminal investigations
But nobody has to release any blood data because there's too many variables
so? when will the name be released?
Do you have a source or is this conjecture? Either way, that'd be pretty crazy. I'm curious to see.
kratussss wrote:
We all agree that the woman that just break the half marathon record and all the other road records en route is drugged as well?
Yup
She could be one of the 3
+ The lady who won Paris and the dude who skipped London
Burnsy wrote:
BadWigins, you're not entirely incorrect, but you're not entirely correct. Bone morphology and development (while, indeed, *highly* responsive to environmental factors and stresses) does have some genetic predetermination.
I agree that the development environment plays a big role, but it's also easy to imagine that an Aisian or a European who grew up in the same conditions wouldn't have the same architecture as an East African.
Now, the question of whether or not a particular architecture is even a performance determinant is a whole new debate, and my hypothesis is in line with your reasoning that the environment in which they're raised has a systemic benefit for distance running dominance that would likely be replicated across populations, regardless of genetics.
But, regarding the skeletal structure issue, the intro of this paper discusses environment and genes with a nod to running nicely:
3rd paragraph of the intro, 2nd page, hits on the genes.
Burnsy
http://biology.ucr.edu/people/faculty/Garland/Wallace_et_al_2012_Determinants_of_Limb_Bone_Morphology.pdf
It's for this reason I think altitude is over-rated. Mexico City was the perfect storm for the emergence of Africans. They were going to emerge anyway....irregardless.....
Back on point - do the Rosas just manage, or do they coach as well? Hard to believe their ignorance if they coach.
can i get an answer to why all my posts have been deleted? i dont get it brojos, you guys give gatlin all sorts of hell for juicing TO HIS FACE, and here i am calling out retardo and you delete my posts. so when he is finally exposed will you give me an apology?
Jack Pearson wrote:
Detectives of LetsRun, find out where Noah Talam was from 2006-2007, and with whom, and you can start to connect the dots here.
Noah's career highlights:
http://more.arrs.net/runner/23242He raced frequently in the U.S. during this time. Listed city from race results was Oro Valley, AZ. Duncan Kibet and Ernest Kimeli were also located in Oro Valley during this time (http://tucsoncitizen.com/morgue2/2006/10/24/13609-olympic-hopeful-uses-10-miler-as-building-block/).
Further research reveals the Oro Valley group was advised by Eddy Hellebuyck (http://tucsoncitizen.com/morgue2/2006/10/21/148355-ua-women-fall-1-0-in-soccer-to-ucla/).
El Keniano wrote:
king himself wrote:My prediction: Stanley Biwott
He was quoted saying this when he withdrew from London:
“I thought I had the injury under control but in the last 10 days the problem has gotten worse,†he said. “I don’t feel I can be a protagonist in London this year as usual, but I will come back in 2018 and try to win the race.â€
He's already looking to the future so hopefully not him. I dont think someone who knows about a failed test would target 2018.
Think harder.
mindweak wrote:
can i get an answer to why all my posts have been deleted? i dont get it brojos, you guys give gatlin all sorts of hell for juicing TO HIS FACE, and here i am calling out retardo and you delete my posts. so when he is finally exposed will you give me an apology?
Your handle is well suited for you if you think questioning a convicted drug cheat is equivalent to accusing a coach that has never been proven to drug cheat.
mindweak = small mind
In the Southwest wrote:
Jack Pearson wrote:Detectives of LetsRun, find out where Noah Talam was from 2006-2007, and with whom, and you can start to connect the dots here.
Noah's career highlights:
http://more.arrs.net/runner/23242He raced frequently in the U.S. during this time. Listed city from race results was Oro Valley, AZ. Duncan Kibet and Ernest Kimeli were also located in Oro Valley during this time (http://tucsoncitizen.com/morgue2/2006/10/24/13609-olympic-hopeful-uses-10-miler-as-building-block/).
Further research reveals the Oro Valley group was advised by Eddy Hellebuyck (http://tucsoncitizen.com/morgue2/2006/10/21/148355-ua-women-fall-1-0-in-soccer-to-ucla/).
Eddy was in Albuquerque.
Olympic medalists in Albuquerque:
LIZ McCOLGAN, Great Britain
NOUREDDINE MORCELI, Algeria
KHALID SKAH, Morocco
GABRIELA SZABO, Romania
JOSIAH THUGWANE, South Africa
Recent world & national class runners:
ANDREW BEGLEY, Topeka, Ind.
AMY YODER BEGLEY, Kendallville, Ind.
RACHAEL DOBBS, Albuquerque
ELVA DRYER, Albuquerque (Durango, Colo.)
LAUREN FLESHMAN, Stanford, Calif.
Matt Gonzales, Albuquerque (Santa Fe)
BOB KENNEDY, Indianapolis
LORNAH KIPLAGAT, The Netherlands
BRANDON LESLIE, Albuquerque (Gallup)
BRANTLEY LUTZ, Albuquerque
TEDDY MITCHELL, Albuquerque (Longwood, Fla.)
DAVID MORRIS, Albuquerque (Eagle River, Alaska)
MS. PAULA RADCLIFFE, Not-That-Great Britain
SIMON SAWE, Santa Fe (Kenya)
MICHAEL STEMBER, Fair Oaks, Calif.
JANET TRUJILLO, Albuquerque
ALAN WEBB, Fairfax, Va.
DEEJAH YOUNGQUIST, Albuquerque (Seattle)
BENOIT ZWIERZCHIEWSKI, France
http://www.golobos.com/news/2007/8/30/209057656.aspxhttp://www.coachnorrie.co.za/?p=205