The emperor has no clothes: Jemima Sumgong has tested positive for EPO!!!

Portland Hobby Jogger wrote:

Congratulations, Track and Field! You are now just as dirty as professional cycling, MLB, NFL, etc. Not that this surprises anyone how looks at the sport honestly.

Are you a little shell-shocked or what? How long have you been following professional distance running? Distance running has a long history & culture of doping...nothing new there.

dabrits wrote:

above_average_joe wrote:

"Jemima is African, and got caught in a lie.

Paula is British, and a hero, and doesn't lie."

the great country of Africa. next time, think before you write.

Great Britain refers to geographical area, as does Africa. Great Britain is not a country either, so the aforementioned comparison is appropriate. shut up

the great continent of Great Britain, wow, you really are stupid. you sound like an American.

Jemima got caught in a lie, it's disgraceful.

Paula is innocent until proven guilty, just as any other runner.

PED use has become the normal preparation of many distance runners...no surprises there 😕

scorpio_runner wrote: What? Today's athletes?

They weren't clean in your era either. Athletes have never been clean.

The East Germans in the 60s and 70s...track cyclists in the 20s and 30s..Americans in the 80s and 90s

I really don't understand your narrative.

Fine...You're obviously just trying to be argumentative, but feel free to remove "today's" from your reading of my post if it helps provide clarity for you.

And, please, don't use "narrative" in the manner you did. It simply makes you look trendy and extraordinarily unoriginal.

I'm still ridiculously bitter from Tyson Gay, but this is just getting to new levels of disappointment. Very difficult to be a fan.

rojo wrote:

Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow.

I know there are tons of drug busts but for some reason this is blowing me away. What's the point of being a fan anymore.

I guess it's because of this.

http://www.letsrun.com/news/2016/11/dr-gabriele-rosa-talks-turning-stanley-biwott-jemima-sumgong-marathon-stars-doping-kenya/

If this holds up, Dr. Gabriela Rosa, lied to my freaking face. It reminds me ofa conversation I had with David Epstein a few years back after he helped expose Lance Armstrong as a fraud. I said, "What was the most surprising thing you learned?"

He replied along the lines of, "That a grown human being can stare you straight in the race and very convincingly tell you something with great passion that is a total lie."

I now know what he's talking about.

That he can do all that apparent lying wearing a nike jacket everywhere is even more remarkable. Case dismissed.

agip wrote:

F this sport (professional division)

Umm, haven't you followed marathon cheaters? How is course-cutting, etc to qualify for Boston any different than PED's?

The amateurs are no better than the pros.

You know I am right on this.

broken arrow wrote:

Bottom line, any time big money is involved in an activity people are going to cheat......end of story.

That's what it's about. You can make $100,000's from a single marathon win. I'm sure the managers of these athletes bag the vast bulk of it.

messi wrote:

agip wrote:

F this sport (professional division)

Umm, haven't you followed marathon cheaters? How is course-cutting, etc to qualify for Boston any different than PED's?

The amateurs are no better than the pros.

You know I am right on this.

You are 100 percent correct, sir. People kill me with this perception..Sports has been dirty in so many different ways since the beginning of sports.

Athletes look to get an advantage, just like a worker goes to his doctor looking to get a prescription to help him relax more or be more productive ..just like billions of people go get a cup coffee ever morning so that they can be stimulated and productive.

Majority of T & F athletes are on peds. This athlete just got caught doing it.

I still love this sport, and I want to see people RUN FAST AS HELL!...so bring on the soup!

pop_pop!_v2.2.1 wrote:

casual obsever wrote:

Ha ha ha.

Canova, like trollrunner, will use this as evidence that EPO doesn't help Africans. Obviously. Because she was clean last year and before that, and now started doping because of her weak mind, yet didn't improve at all.

You are doing Canova a disservice with this.

His claim, summarized, was Kenyans are biologically/genetically distinct such that the EPO doesn't work. As if their bodies function differently than other humans.

We're supposed to believe he's got some Midas touch and posts b.s. like that. Just amazing.

That is not what he said. Go back and read his post and quit your BS.

trollism wrote:

james naismith li wrote:

Jeff just posted his progression/regression above. Your argument boils down to him just being too fast and not slowing down quickly enough. Couple that with your ignorance on the mishandling of his tests and I don't know why I should believe your opinion.

Of course the 'mishandling' of his tests.

I think given what we know about the IAAF and WADA we can be pretty confident that this was a cover up.

Doper.

From the guy who defends Bradley Wiggins? HA!

52 wrote:

scorpio_runner wrote: What? Today's athletes?

They weren't clean in your era either. Athletes have never been clean.

The East Germans in the 60s and 70s...track cyclists in the 20s and 30s..Americans in the 80s and 90s

I really don't understand your narrative.

Fine...You're obviously just trying to be argumentative, but feel free to remove "today's" from your reading of my post if it helps provide clarity for you.

And, please, don't use "narrative" in the manner you did. It simply makes you look trendy and extraordinarily unoriginal.

Be argumentative? Dude you said this era! As if all other eras were clean. You must understand the error in your NARRATIVE....

SPORTS IN THE 20th and 21st CENTURY HAS NEVER BEEN CLEAN. FACT.

So stop it with the moon just fell out of the sky NARRATIVE.

Athletes have always looked to get an advantage in some form or fashion, and they always will.

Now let's see some top USA distance runners get busted. There's a group of them that are as dirty as any Kenyan or Russian.

James I am still waiting for you (or anyone else who competed at the D1 college level) to post their 5K PR at age 23 and compare it to their 5K PR at age 42 to prove that Lagat could possibly be clean. If we can get linked evidence that even 10 out of the 20,000 D1 college runners ran must faster at age 42 than they did at D1 college level at 23 I will believe it is possible that Lagat is clean. Of course it is preposterous to even find one.to post your college 5K PR and

james naismith li wrote:

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james naismith li wrote:

Ok James, what was your (or anyone else in the world except Lagat) 5K best at age 23 and what was your 5K best at age 42?

Jeff just posted his progression/regression above. Your argument boils down to him just being too fast and not slowing down quickly enough. Couple that with your ignorance on the mishandling of his tests and I don't know why I should believe your opinion.

Does this not discredit Paula's 2.15 further, I mean she would still have been a mile up the road from these genetically gifted, doped to the gills East Africans. And we know how well EPO works now as this Sumgong went from 2.29 to 2.20 late in her career. I think it is a no brainier.

the great continent of Great Britain, wow, you really are stupid. you sound like an American.

Jemima got caught in a lie, it's disgraceful.

Paula is innocent until proven guilty, just as any other runner , except the Chinese .[/quote]

fixed for ya..

Why So Late To The Game wrote:

James I am still waiting for you (or anyone else who competed at the D1 college level) to post their 5K PR at age 23 and compare it to their 5K PR at age 42 to prove that Lagat could possibly be clean. If we can get linked evidence that even 10 out of the 20,000 D1 college runners ran must faster at age 42 than they did at D1 college level at 23 I will believe it is possible that Lagat is clean. Of course it is preposterous to even find one.

to post your college 5K PR and

james naismith li wrote:

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Jeff just posted his progression/regression above. Your argument boils down to him just being too fast and not slowing down quickly enough. Couple that with your ignorance on the mishandling of his tests and I don't know why I should believe your opinion.

Pretty sure Bill Rodgers was faster at 42 than 23.

scorpion_runner wrote:

messi wrote:

Umm, haven't you followed marathon cheaters? How is course-cutting, etc to qualify for Boston any different than PED's?

The amateurs are no better than the pros.

You know I am right on this.

You are 100 percent correct, sir. People kill me with this perception..Sports has been dirty in so many different ways since the beginning of sports.

Athletes look to get an advantage, just like a worker goes to his doctor looking to get a prescription to help him relax more or be more productive ..just like billions of people go get a cup coffee ever morning so that they can be stimulated and productive.

Majority of T & F athletes are on peds. This athlete just got caught doing it.

I still love this sport, and I want to see people RUN FAST AS HELL!...so bring on the soup!

there is no way 50% of the people I compete against and who are on my team are on PEDs. That's not even possible.

more like 1-5%, and that is probably just old men on T for health reasons.

cheating in amateur road racing is a very small numbers game

Why So Late To The Game wrote:

James I am still waiting for you (or anyone else who competed at the D1 college level) to post their 5K PR at age 23 and compare it to their 5K PR at age 42 to prove that Lagat could possibly be clean. If we can get linked evidence that even 10 out of the 20,000 D1 college runners ran must faster at age 42 than they did at D1 college level at 23 I will believe it is possible that Lagat is clean. Of course it is preposterous to even find one.

to post your college 5K PR and

james naismith li wrote:

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Jeff just posted his progression/regression above. Your argument boils down to him just being too fast and not slowing down quickly enough. Couple that with your ignorance on the mishandling of his tests and I don't know why I should believe your opinion.

He wasn't training for or racing a lot in the 5000m as a 23 year old. We have evidence of his regression, which has been posted you just choose not to accept it being fast enough so you keep waiting on your own accord.