Cyclists should not be allowed on major streets and highways in the US.

The counterpoint to this is that I've been nearly hit while in designated bike lanes. I always wear a helmet because if you don't, you're going to be an organ donor. I also obey complete stops.

There are a fair amount of twat cyclists who blow through signs and act like jerks. I'm ok with you hitting them "on accident." But be nice to those who are actually wearing helmets, high-visibility clothing and obey road rules.

You're saying that you couldn't see "a row of cyclists." Look in the mirror, buddy. You are the problem.

Mirror? Were they BEHIND me?OK, genius. I'm driving 45-50mph in the middle lane of a major road in a suburb. I'm behind a tall bus, I change lanes to the right hand lane at 45 mph and come upon 10-12 cyclists doing (maybe) 20 mph. I slam on my brakes to miss these glorified TDF wannabees and you're telling me I'm the problem. The minimum speed would have been 30mph in horse and buggy days.

dutiest wrote:

You're saying that you couldn't see "a row of cyclists." Look in the mirror, buddy. You are the problem.

Moe's Tavern wrote:

They totally ignore the "complete stop rule" at stop signs and roll right thru.

In my defense, I ignore this rule as a motorist as well as when I'm a cyclist...

When you see them just know they are done. It is a matter of time. Its gonna be brutal and horrific, they will be get splattered "Doing what they love". Isn't that noble.

Moe's Tavern wrote:

Mirror? Were they BEHIND me?

The mirror is for your own face. If a pack of cyclists was in front of you, and you had trouble braking not to crash into them from behind, it is quite interesting how this could be the cyclists' fault. So take an even closer look in that mirror.

Moe's Tavern wrote:

Almost took out a row of cyclists today changing lanes.

I know it's a feel good thing and I have many friends/proponents for cyclists on major roads but I'm sorry, they don't deserve to be on the streets.

They cannot accelerate at the speed of a motorized vehicle.

They have little to no visibility in traffic.

No required helmet laws force the auto drivers to insure cyclist.

They totally ignore the "complete stop rule" at stop signs and roll right thru.

Incapable of meeting the minimum requirement speed on roads outside city limits.

Cyclists are not required to carry any insurance.

In most cases, bike wheels cannot accept the holes and street imperfections on busy streets and roads.

You want to bike around your college campus or residential areas, fine but roads and highways will result in your consequence of choice.

Wrong. Cars and any other motorized vehicle should not be allowed on any major street or highway in the US or the rest of the world. Cars kill people, take up too much space, make the air smell bad, pump out pollutants that give us illnesses such as cancer or heart disease. Cars also indirectly make people obese which raises health insurance costs for the rest of us. Why should cyclists or pedestrians have to pay insurance for the dangers and damage that cars cause?

An exception to the rule would be emergency vehicles such police, ambulances, fire fighter vehicles.

Moe's Tavern wrote:

Mirror? Were they BEHIND me?

OK, genius. I'm driving 45-50mph in the middle lane of a major road in a suburb. I'm behind a tall bus, I change lanes to the right hand lane at 45 mph and come upon 10-12 cyclists doing (maybe) 20 mph. I slam on my brakes to miss these glorified TDF wannabees and you're telling me I'm the problem. The minimum speed would have been 30mph in horse and buggy days.

dutiest wrote:

You're saying that you couldn't see "a row of cyclists." Look in the mirror, buddy. You are the problem.

So you blindly switched lanes and were surprised to find it wasn't wide open for you. Your problem is you are not a very good driver, not cyclists on the road.

There isn't a minimum speed dumby only a maximum speed except on limited access highways and bicycles are already banned on those. Go work on your homework.

Moe's Tavern wrote:

They totally ignore the "complete stop rule" at stop signs and roll right thru.

Bad ones do. I hate cyclists like that. There are good ones though who obey all the laws.

The majority of cars roll through stop signs too at a much greater peril to all those around.

It's pretty clear that nearly running into them was your fault, be a better driver, enjoy your impending lawsuit when you hit someone. Hopefully you get in a few rear enders if you get jail time, if you know what I mean.

Moe's Tavern wrote:

No required helmet laws force the auto drivers to insure cyclist.

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Cyclists are not required to carry any insurance.

Most of the auto insurance you pay is to cover you crashing into things. Even if the bicyclist has insurance, if you crash into the bike, you will pay.

Moe's Tavern wrote:

The minimum speed would have been 30mph in horse and buggy days.

On an open road? Maybe, depending on the quality of the road or terrain. In a reasonably dense city? No way.

Or maybe we should just build our "major streets and highways" so that they can be safely used by cyclists.

Moe's Tavern wrote:

OK, genius. I'm driving 45-50mph in the middle lane of a major road in a suburb. I'm behind a tall bus, I change lanes to the right hand lane at 45 mph and come upon 10-12 cyclists doing (maybe) 20 mph. I slam on my brakes to miss these glorified TDF wannabees and you're telling me I'm the problem.

You're probably trolling, but if you can't stop in the distance you can see ahead, you're the problem.

dutiest wrote:

You're saying that you couldn't see "a row of cyclists." Look in the mirror, buddy. You are the problem.

Hardly. The cyclists in my city (Austin) habitually run red lights and stop signs, ride against the flow of traffic, and basically don't follow any of the rules that a car would follow. The unfortunate result are the white ghost bikes on every other street corner these days.

Sweetie, you may not be aware of this, but with the exception of designated highways there is no speed limit. You want to pass on the right side without any visibility of what is going on in the right lane makes you a shitty driver. Ask me how do I feel about arrogant aholes like you!

Moe's Tavern wrote:

Mirror? Were they BEHIND me?

OK, genius. I'm driving 45-50mph in the middle lane of a major road in a suburb. I'm behind a tall bus, I change lanes to the right hand lane at 45 mph and come upon 10-12 cyclists doing (maybe) 20 mph. I slam on my brakes to miss these glorified TDF wannabees and you're telling me I'm the problem. The minimum speed would have been 30mph in horse and buggy days.

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Hey, buddy, pass on the left, not the right. Unless you live in England, Japan, Australia, Malta or Cyprus, you should have gone to pass the "tall bus" on left.

Moe's Tavern wrote:

Almost took out a row of cyclists today changing lanes.

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They have little to no visibility in traffic.

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pot. kettle