Potentially Suspicious Runner To Run 836 Miles in 9 Days for "Charity"

Good eye on spotting the broken charity bucket seal...wow, that's impressive sleuthing.

What are the odds that there is going to be another security seal on the back of the buckets that the photos don't show?

Before Terrie reads this page and goes deleting evidence again, you can see Dave & Terrie's original Facebook post with the Morrison's "fundraiser" video with the broken seal on the WWTW charity bucket:

https://www.facebook.com/endtoendrunningchallenge/videos/vb.496059083931257/615561788647652/?type=3&theater

Note that Ed Parker also "liked" that Facebook post.

ExpertKipWatcher wrote:

What are the odds that there is going to be another security seal on the back of the buckets that the photos don't show?

I would say that the odds are low and getting lower with each passing minute...

One more post, from the URC discussion on Derek Murphy's article, it looks like I'm not the only one who have found that the integrity of WWTW is questionable:

https://m.facebook.com/comment/replies/?ctoken=1188744797896104_1188805051223412&count=2&curr&pc=1&ft_ent_identifier=1188744797896104&gfid=AQA41DQBHoH_hT8G&refid=18&ref=group_header&__tn__=R-R

Scam_Watcheroo wrote:

One more post, from the URC discussion on Derek Murphy's article, it looks like I'm not the only one who have found that the integrity of WWTW is questionable:

https://m.facebook.com/comment/replies/?ctoken=1188744797896104_1188805051223412&count=2&curr&pc=1&ft_ent_identifier=1188744797896104&gfid=AQA41DQBHoH_hT8G&refid=18&ref=group_header&__tn__=R-R

i made a copy of the vid for posterity although im not really sure what im supposed to be looking at.

...and that facebook link above doesnt work for me.

In the Morrison's video, step through the video with a video player that can play at quarter speed or frame by frame. Keep your eye out for the WWTW charity bucket on the left side of the table. At some points of the video it is in focus and you can see that the blue/black security seal on top of it has clearly been broken as shown in the screenshots in my investigation summary.Looks like Facebook doesn't allow direct linking to the URC comment. It is Steven's comments from:https://m.facebook.com/groups/259647654139161?view=permalink&id=1188744797896104Saying:

Steven

I personally contacted Walking with the wounded and they didn't seem the least bit bothered that he was raising money on the back of a dubious claim. I was really rather disappointed in them.

LikeHide · Yesterday at 7:03pm

Julie

I get disappointed when charities lose their ethics..

Like1Hide · Yesterday at 7:07pm

Steven

Me to... especially one that claims to support the troops because ultimately it brings the integrity of the military into question which is why i contacted them.

LikeHide · Yesterday at 7:08pm

From Doubler's article:

Dave did wear he’s chip, it was on his back loop which is why it can’t be seen in the photos.

So, can we all agree that this is completely ludicrous?

The London marathon timing chips are at least 2 inches on each side. For some images, try this Google search:

There is not enough clearance between the loop on the back of a shoe and the pavement beneath the foot for the chip to hang there.

Even if there were, a chip hanging from a loop would be bounced and jostled and thrown around. It would strike the back of the runner's foot and bounce up above the shoe line to hit the bare skin of the ankle. Do we really need to discuss why no person would ever actually allow this to happen, let alone when the instructions and common practice of every other runner establish the proper mounting technique?

On the topic of proper fixation of the tag, there is this picture from earlier in the thread which CLEARLY shoes the standard chip ties attached to "he's" front laces:

So, not only is the claim of hanging from a back loop bogus but there's also evidence that he, at some point, did tie it to the front of his shoe just like every single other runner was required to do.

I have no idea whether, with months and months of time, someone could manually alter every single data point in a Tom Tom watch GPS file in order to fudge a race. Terrie did, apparently, scroll through thousands of pictures taken of the race until she found one of Dave. However, it seems unlikely that the Tom Tom was faked. So we should accept that Dave ran the marathon and completed it in 4:19, until proven otherwise.

What also seems likely is that they schemed from the beginning to lie about the finish time. Removing the chip allowed them to claim malfunction which allowed them to claim the much publicized sub 3:30 time. In classic Reading/Shingler fashion, they didn't think through the difficulty of proving that time and went with the bluster+charity+sob-story approach... an approach that apparently worked for a time!

Joe the Driver spoke in great detail about this standard modus operandi of Dave Reading/Shingler.

Why would they make this plan? Because at the time of the 2016 London marathon they were planning and promoting the Lejog attempt. The false time puts Dave in the league of serious runners and helps with promotion, publicity, fundraising, and supporting their claim to be world-record capable. We all saw how important it was for them to attach names like Mo Farah and Prince Henry to their attempt. They probably (rightly!) realized that no one would care about or sponsor a sub-par, overweight, inexperienced runner who had no data to back up an attempt at an extraordinary feat.

Frankly, I'm in the camp that he wasn't doing it strictly for a cash payday but instead for the glory. The publicity. The celebrity. Some aspire to wealth, some to power, some to fame. Dave Reading wanted the last one, to rise above his current societal status and rub shoulders with the stars.

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The real disappointment right now, though, after 137 pages on LetsRun, is Doubler's mediocre article. Sorry, Derek. But, you really did not add anything to the conversation other than finally posting some GPS data.

The explanations you gathered from Terrie are the second or third or fourth iteration of explanations and excuses to explain away inconsistencies and untruths. As with previous excuses, this round does not withstand even the slightest critical thought.

I have admired Marathon Investigation for the detailed analysis of data AND the drawing of conclusions based on that data. In the article about the Readings/Shinglers, no conclusions were drawn. Derek simply told a truncated narrative and presented their responses without any questioning or analysis at all.

Doubler: do you really think there's any chance he had the tag dangling from the back of his shoe? Really?

I don't think we can blame Derek for maintaining a more neutral stance than we do here so that he can keep lines of communication open. I find it amazing he was actually able to get Terrie to make statements about all those things and actually give him the GPS file, something I have repeatedly asked them for but never got.

Derek also showed that Dave & Terrie made fake claims about Dave having done the AJ Bell London Triathlon 2015, which I find to be bigger news. It is yet another example of their fraudulent ways and Dave even published an article in Outdoor Fitness magazine with that fake claim!

Agreed, I found Derek's neutral tone far more compelling than the accusatory one most people here use. The facts speak for themselves better when not accompanied by emotion.

From my perspective, the most bizarre statement in the Marathon Investigation article from Terry was that Dave decided to use the 3:12 time versus the 4:19 time at the London Marathon. One of their devices supposedly read 3:12 and the other read 4:19. She said they decided to go with the faster time since they didn't know which one was correct.

WTFO!? You mean to tell me that after training for a marathon for months, and then running the actual marathon, you can't tell the difference between running a 7+20 pace and a 9+52 pace?! I ran a 3:10 marathon at Chicago about 5 years ago and a 10 minute pace would be walking for me. I'm trying to brag, but there is a massive difference between keeping a 7+20 pace for 3 hours versus a 9+52 pace.

That is the most absurd thing I've ever heard.

Oh man, looks like I ran a 2:30 marathon today according to my watch. Maybe I should try for the Olympics....

Complete liars. Zero integrity.

Great sleuthing on the chip ties. That chip looks awfully big and should be secured by two ties on the laces.

Agree with the narcissicism angle. That's always the root of all these (alleged) cheating sagas.

Agree w viper. Another common theme of cheating threads are the obtuse long winded excuses. It's a shame he didn't claim a 3:11:45.

Terrie Reading now says that Dave Reading was the only person running in the 2016 London marathon with his chip dangling on the back of his shoe...which explains why there are no photos of Dave with a chip.

Dave's chip... which in not visible in any photos...also is broken and does not work...which explains why Dave does not show up on any of the timing mats during the race.

Come on.

What was the time of day when Dave started the race?

Was it at 10:02 am?

What is the explanation for why Dave also does not show up on any race photos from mile 9 to just before the finish line???

There should be many photos of Dave Reading between mile 9 and the finish line.

Dave looked directly into the camera on the video and said that he had done the 2016 London marathon in 3:12. He said that to Duncan on the video. He said that to everyone, including all his sponsors.

Terrie has deleted that video and all the other videos of Dave Reading because they show all of his lies. She also deleted the long training run video when Dave was riding in a van. Joe the Driver confirms that Dave was riding in a van during the long training run.

It is absolutely amazing that Dave has said to potential sponsors that he was a former 40 year heavy smoker, who quit 2 years ago when he had trouble getting up the stairs and coughing up blood, and now 2 years later is ready to run a World Record at the 836 mile LeJog run.

Dave Reading has transformed into... a pudgy 49 year old former smoker who has a 5:04 marathon PR (= 11:36 average pace) or 4:19 marathon PR (= 9:53 average pace). Wow. Dave has transformed into a really slow marathon runner.

He has also been disqualified from another marathon where Dave had a time of 3:43 marathon, and his results were removed.

Why???

Answer:

Because Dave ran the first half in 2:01...and the second half in 1:42??

The problem is that Dave Reading did not run the second half in 1:42...because Dave Reading can't run a half-marathon in 1:42.

Dave Reading then said to everyone that he was ready to break the world record at the LeJog 836 mile run. Dave completed a total of 0.00 Ultramarathon races in his lifetime before his World Record LeJog Attempt.

Dave thought that a 3:12 marathon PR sounded better, so he went with the fake PR at London, which was a total lie.

The explanation is that Dave went with his phone app time (3:12 marathon=7:20 average pace) instead of the 4:19 marathon time (with no splits at timing mats and no photos after mile 9) which is 9:53 average pace.

The explanation also includes the idea that Dave Reading does not know the difference between 7:20 average pace and 9:53 average pace for a marathon.

This explanation is absolutely ridiculous, which is just like his other explanations. Dave Reading can't even run a 5K at 7:20 average pace.

Dave said that he was ready to run the LeJog in a world record, which would be faster than Don Ritchie's time when he did the LeJog run.

Don Ritchie has a marathon PR of 2:19 and is still the holder of the WORLD RECORD for 100K (6:10:20 = 5:57 average pace). He has run 100 miles in 11:30:51 (6:54 average pace), which was the World Record at the time. Don Ritchie has also run over 208,000 miles in his lifetime. Don Ritchie is the real deal.

http://www.100klifetimemiles.com/2012/12/don-ritchie-has-run-208100-miles.html

http://www.scottishdistancerunninghistory.scot/don-ritchie/

Dave covered less than 50 miles walking (with zero running) during his first day of the LeJog and then he rode a BIKE on the second day... and then he quit his Ultra-Cheater-Liar-Fraud Debacleâ„¢.

Wow, haven't seen you post here in a long time. Your writing has greatly improved.

Good post 'Shoe Slapper'.

Re the "Frankly, I'm in the camp that he wasn't doing it strictly for a cash payday but instead for the glory.".

Both, Dave was an ex military non-entity in The Royal Anglian Regiment and also the RAF Reserve at the start of his cheating and lying, he was and is a Walter Mitty, similar to the 'stolen valor' type personality. I'm ex military and have known quite a few of them.

I believe his idea was to become a personality on the speaking and promotion circuit, attending schools, seminars, fund raisers, awareness events, etc, which incidentally he had already been doing up to the LEJOG farce.

This would be a win on both fronts for him, it would fulfill his Walter Mitty/'stolen valor' aspirations and provide income and expenses.

YorkieCoach wrote:

What is strange here is I cannot see any evidence of Dave carrying a mobile phone in any of the publish photos.

I think I can clear that up for you Yorkie (and you can quote me on this):

He didn't, Dave and Terrie are lying.

Shoe Slapper wrote:

Even if there were, a chip hanging from a loop would be bounced and jostled and thrown around. It would strike the back of the runner's foot and bounce up above the shoe line to hit the bare skin of the ankle. Do we really need to discuss why no person would ever actually allow this to happen, let alone when the instructions and common practice of every other runner establish the proper mounting technique?

"Do we really need to discuss why no person would ever actually allow this to happen"

Well yeah, we do because it just adds to the mounting evidence that Terrie and Dave are liars.

Any photos from his previous events showing where he attached the chip?

Was it just the 2016 VLM where he decided on the revolutionary and never before used 'back loop' method?

Terrie:

"Dave did wear he’s chip, it was on his back loop which is why it can’t be seen in the photos."

So he ripped the chip off his laces leaving the ties behind and then somehow attached it to the back of "he's" shoe using the "never before used 'back loop' method".

Yeah right lol.

http://imgur.com/a/WpxiL#p6CkdOA