Is Kevin Young WR the greatest in athletics?

Yes for men. There are a bunch of untouchable women's sprint records from the 80s because of the drugs.

It's a really strong record.

i thought Kerron Clement had the speed to go after that one, if he could have ever mastered the technical aspects of hurdling.

I think he is no longer fast enough.

And he's not even the best 400 hurdler ever! I'm biased, but the 400H is a very underrated technical event, I think it's similar to TJ. It's more than just speed and hurdle technique, it's a rhythm that some people have and some just don't (Kerron--never understood how he loses to anyone).

Bubka's PV WR was on my short list, TJ WR still stands but is finally coming under attack, and the 100–800 records (including 100HH) could reach that status over the coming decades. But with Kerron on the wrong side of 30 and the 400H not being a very popular event (see Johnny Dutch), Young's record doesn't seem to be in much trouble for the time being.

There was a flood of über-talented intermediate hurdlers coming up the US ranks in the early 2000s (Bennie Brazell, Kenneth Ferguson, Kerron, Jeshua Anderson, Reggie Wyatt, etc.), and there's a Jamaican kid (Jaheel Hyde) who's dominated the international junior scene for a couple years now.

The 400H is not one of the glamour events.

It seems that, frequently, it is populated by 400 runners that were not quite fast enough.

He was probably a 43.x 400 runner, but he loved this race.

i can't imagine any race where your legs could hurt as badly as in the 400m hurdles.

unreal

Best record?? I don't know but, it is one of the least likely to be broken.

Jeshua and Reggie never really made the transition all the way from 300h to 400h although they were phenomenal on the high school and age group scene and both did well in NCAA competition. Hyde hasn't dropped his pr by much over the last few years at 400h and may pursue 110h professionally, so I doubt he'll get under Kevin Young's mark.

not shaved, not cut, destroyed wrote:

i can't imagine any race where your legs could hurt as badly as in the 400m hurdles.

unreal

Steeplechase

Rhodes wrote:

not shaved, not cut, destroyed wrote:

i can't imagine any race where your legs could hurt as badly as in the 400m hurdles.

unreal

Steeplechase

Not even close

I don't thinks it's better than the 400m record

Dude you sound like you're winding up to deliver a DVTT(tm) for Young over 400. So come on. Do it. You know you want to.

I'd say ~44.0 line of fit based on 46.78 for the hurdles, which has a historical differential vs. flat 4 WR of about 6.5%, plus the collision with the last hurdle worth ~0.5s, plus the bad lane assignment, worth ~0.3s, and the pacing, shocking, another ~0.4s. So a DVTT for the flat 400 of ~42.8.

Young was very likely doped. He had been around for years before then and was a good, but not great hurdler. Suddenly, in one year he exhibits a finish that he never possessed before and sets an outlier WR that is still standing. Sorry, but Young's performance reminds very much of Flojo.

In 1988 during his senior year at UCLA, Young defended his third PacC-10 400 m hurdles title and won his second NCAA 400 m hurdles title, running 47.85 seconds. With the addition of California prep 400 m specialist Steven Lewis, the Bruins' 4 × 400 m relay team became the first ever collegiate team to run under 3 minutes (2:59.91; relay splits: Steve Lewis 45.1, Kevin Young 44.3, Danny Everett, 45.4, Henry Thomas 45.1), 2:59.91 CR

Teammate Danny Everett: From 1987 to 1992, Everett qualified for the U.S. Olympic team where he won gold and nbronze medals in the 1600 meter relay and 400 meters in the 1988 Olympic Games in Seoul, South Korea. Everett also won gold, silver and bronze medals at the World Championships in Rome, Italy in 1987 and in Tokyo, Japan in 1991. During his career, Everett set five world records in the 300 meters, 400 meters, 1600 meter relay and 4 x 200 meter. In 1992, Everett qualified for the U.S. Olympic Team, running the fastest Olympic qualifying time in U.S. history at 43.81 and at that time the second fastest time in history. Everett suffered a foot injury at the 1992 Olympic Games in Barcelona, Spain.

Teammate Steve Lewis: From 1987 to 1992, Everett qualified for the U.S. Olympic team where he won gold and nbronze medals in the 1600 meter relay and 400 meters in the 1988 Olympic Games in Seoul, South Korea. Everett also won gold, silver and bronze medals at the World Championships in Rome, Italy in 1987 and in Tokyo, Japan in 1991. During his career, Everett set five world records in the 300 meters, 400 meters, 1600 meter relay and 4 x 200 meter. In 1992, Everett qualified for the U.S. Olympic Team, running the fastest Olympic qualifying time in U.S. history at 43.81 and at that time the second fastest time in history. Everett suffered a foot injury at the 1992 Olympic Games in Barcelona, Spain.

So that Kevin Young had the fastest split on the relay with 2 of the top 10 all time 400 meter runners on his team at UCLA. In his prime at 46.78, yes 43 seconds was the fitness, the only person to every do 12 then 13 steps is probably why the Jelly Man will long hold that record until another can achieve using 12 strides between hurdles (nearly 9 feet per stride) switching to 13 later in the race, a technique only Young has ever perfected!

No. The men's long jump is way more impregnable.

In 2016 the best 400mH time was 46.78. This is 2.24% away from the world record.

In 2016 the best long jump in the world was 8.58m. This is 4.13% away from the world record, and this was the longest jump since 2009.

Looking further into this Kevin Young set the world record in 1992, Mike Powell set the world record in 1991 - so a similar time period.

Since these records were set the best legal lump jump in the 26 years is 8.74m which is 2.35% away from the record. The best 400m Hurdles since the record was set is 47.03 (Bryan Bronson 1998) which is only 0.53% away from the record.

Yiannis Kuros 24 hour record is off the charts. Nobody has come even remotely close.

DMulvee wrote:

No. The men's long jump is way more impregnable.

In 2016 the best 400mH time was 46.78. This is 2.24% away from the world record.

In 2016 the best long jump in the world was 8.58m. This is 4.13% away from the world record, and this was the longest jump since 2009.

I think this might be because long jump has gone out of fashion a bit.

The top sprinters used to give it a go. Now they don't really, not on the men's side.

Steroids strengthen the feet and legs

HJ, TJ and LJ have stagnated since the steroids have been phased out

Luvo Manyonga jumped like 8 62 a few days ago, but yes Lewis and Powell make those guys look like children.

Though it's run infrequently, i say Komen 3k. Bekele, geb, el g, 3 of the greatest (perhaps the 3 greatest ever) all went after it and couldn't touch it. At the very least, it's the greatest distance record on the books.